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Also, with regard to Epstein, I don\u2019t know why you presume emotional modeling of the young women. That would motivate a sadism motive. Pure objectification also seems plausible.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jan 12, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Marcus Daniels <marcus@snoutfarm.com> wrote:<br>
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I claim it is subjective. A foodie with "developed tastes" has strong opinions on what is good and bad. They may even begin to believe that these good and bad things are more than subjective and that they matter in some universal or culturally-foundational
way. Whereas to me, food is fuel and their activity is one of many possible hobbies.
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 12, 2020 2:53 PM<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">But \u2026 just to take the Epstein case \u2026 doesn\u2019t that presume that abusing women feels good?
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I just have never see how that works, </p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">In the marshland around where grew up, there were these enormous flies, with beaklike mouthparts for biting\u2026Greenheads, they were called. They used to come into our barn at night, and then congregate on the inside of the windows during
the day, frantic to get out. I once caught one and took its wings off to see what would happen. I never did it again. It didn\u2019t feel good.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">So, either having great power over people changes the nature of what feels good, OR, there are some people for whom making others feel bad makes them feel good. I would say that these latter folks need to be quarantined. And if keeping
people from becoming wealthy is prophylactic, I say tax the daylights out of the rich.
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<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Nick writes: </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">\u201cWhy does the potentiality entail the desire? </p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"> I <i>can</i> plunge a dinner fork into the back of my hand, right now.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"> Surely, you don\u2019t expect me to do so, just because I can.\u201d</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">The premise is that people do things that feel good, and things that are apparently free from negative consequences.</p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">Neither would be true with this use of a dinner fork. It might feel good to plunge the dinner fork into the hand of an impolite dinner guest. Whether that would be free of consequences would depend on the relative quality of your
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