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          earth is warming much slower than what the models predicted.
          So just maybe we have hope?</p>
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    <p>Pieter -</p>
    <p>Thanks for offering up the positive element of hope in this
      context.   It is easy to project our "worst fears" and "greatest
      hopes" onto the natural uncertainty that comes with formal and
      informal prognostication.   <br>
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    <p>When the "stakes" are as high as "inhabitability of the planet"
      in our children/grandchildren's lifetime, it is easy to convolve
      those stakes with even the lowest likelihoods of a given outcome.</p>
    <p>Conversely, when the "stakes" involve the likely end of a
      lucrative crap-shoot, those with the highest investment in the
      game are going to want to downplay the likelihoods and even risks
      as much as possible while they "sneak out of the game" and try to
      "game the next system" or even "create the next game".</p>
    <p>There is a LOT more afoot with our extreme industrial
      "competence" or "efficacy" than mere "atmospheric surface
      temperature"...  dissolved CO2 in the oceans, the attendant
      acidification, and the impact on the entire marine ecosystem of
      which biogenic calcification is a critical element.   <br>
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    <p>The biosphere is a *complex system* which has both
      self-regulating mechanisms *and* potential bifurcation points... 
      while we have (and continue to see) some of the feedback loops
      working (more CO2 supports more vigorous plant
      growth/photosynthesis) in favor of limiting atmospheric greenhouse
      gasses, there are coupled feedback loops (like rapid plant growth
      creating *local* O2 enrichment, leading to harsher wildfires based
      on post-growing season concentrations of dry biomass and enhanced
      O2)... <br>
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    <p>My favorite definition of "hope" is "doing the right thing, no
      matter how you think that is going to turn out".  <br>
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    <p>Of course, those who we label "climate deniers" are *hoping*...
      some hoping that there IS no anthropogenic climate change, others
      hoping that they can amass enough wealth/power to avoid the
      consequences to themselves and their filial interests.</p>
    <p>And of course, the rest of us *hoping* that if we just act
      quickly and significantly enough, that the worst of the effects
      can be avoided and the worst effects can be ameliorated.</p>
    <p>One distinction between the "left" and the "right" seems to
      involve how worried we might be about the consequences to those
      who are not significantly implicated in "the problem" and are
      likely least able to endure them.   Maybe the likes of Trump and
      Murdoch really are concerned about "the little people", but I see
      very little overt evidence of that.</p>
    <p>- Steve<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 22:36,
          Jochen Fromm <<a href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net"
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            <div dir="auto">Trump's channel Fox News is owned by the
              Australian Murdoch family. Can two families ruin the
              entire planet? Trump in America and Murdoch in Australia
              are creating tremendous damage. If Climate Change leads to
              an uninhabitable world, as David Wallace-Wells describes
              in his book, these two families certainly contributed to
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            <div dir="auto">The Washington Post writes:</div>
            <div dir="auto">"When we think of industries that must
              change to prevent further global warming, we tend to
              imagine carbon-intensive concerns such as mining, aviation
              and energy production. But the Murdoch media and the rest
              of the climate denialist industry will also need a
              transition plan. They do not have long to implement it."</div>
            <div dir="auto"><a
href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/16/australias-catastrophic-fires-are-moment-reckoning-murdochs-media-empire/"
                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/16/australias-catastrophic-fires-are-moment-reckoning-murdochs-media-empire/</a></div>
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            <div dir="auto">-Jochen</div>
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