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<p>Would not want you to go to jail for this.</p>
<p>I do not subscribe either, but was able to read the article by
clicking on the original link.</p>
<p>I am inclined to give Seth Lloyd the benefit of the doubt. I met
him with his wife and child at the Downtown Subscription many
years ago. They seemed to be nice people. <br>
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<p>Joe</p>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">You realize I could go to jail
for this. Be a good citizen, a supportive member of the
community and buy the LOCAL newspapers. </p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">-sss#ssssssssdsdddd</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">An external professor and member
of the science board at Santa Fe Institute has been placed
on paid leave by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
after a new report shed new light on the MIT faculty
member\u2019s relationship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey
Epstein.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Seth Lloyd, a tenured professor
of mechanical engineering who has ties with the</p>
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5px 5px">MIT Students Against War held a silent protest
outside of Professor Seth Lloyd\u2019s classroom in October.
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Santa Fe Institute dating back
to 1988, had received $225,000 of the $850,000 that Epstein
foundations had donated to MIT, with all but $100,000 of the
total received by the prestigious Cambridge school after
Epstein\u2019s 2008 conviction for solicitation of prostitution
in Florida.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Epstein, a billionaire financier
who had a fascination for abstract concepts and young women
and girls, had over the years also given $275,000 to SFI, a
renowned complexity science research and education center
located on Hyde Park Road. But only $25,000 was donated to
SFI after Epstein pleaded guilty to the Florida charges.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Last month, SFI donated $25,000
to Solace Crisis Treatment Center, a Santa Fe-based
non-profit that works to empower victims of sexual violence
and other trauma.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">While MIT has said it would
contribute an amount equivalent to the all of the
contributions it received from Epstein to his victims or
organizations that work on behalf of victims of sexual
violence, SFI told the Journal late last year that it</p>
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5px 5px">MIT students have staged protests calling for
Professor Seth Lloyd and President Rafael Reif to resign
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">doesn\u2019t plan to give away any
more than the $25,000 it received from Epstein after his
conviction.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Nor does it appear that SFI is
taking any action regarding Lloyd, as MIT did.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cAs far as I know, SFI does not
have plans to follow suit, though it\u2019s worth noting that as
an external professor, Seth is not actually on our payroll,\u201d
SFI spokeswoman Jenna Marshall wrote in an email to the
Journal.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">She did not respond to follow up
questions she invited the Journal to submit.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Besides making contributions to
SFI, Epstein, who investigators determined died by suicide
in a New York jail in August while awaiting trial on sex
trafficking charges involving dozens of girls, had at least
one other tie to New Mexico. He owned a ranch in southern
Santa Fe County that according to New York Times reporting
last year he planned to use as a base to impregnate women in
order to \u201cseed\u201d the human race with his DNA.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em"><b>Student pressure</b></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">MIT has been under pressure from
some students and alumni to sever its ties with Lloyd.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Joi Ito, director of MIT\u2019s Media
Lab, the institute\u2019s research laboratory that was the
beneficiary of most of the contributions Epstein made to the
Cambridge university, was forced to resign in September.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">The new MIT report released Jan.
10, conducted by the Goodwin Proctor LLC and commissioned by
the university \u201cto better understand\u201d the extent of
Epstein\u2019s interactions with the school, states that both Ito
and Lloyd deliberately concealed donations from Epstein,
something Lloyd denies. He was placed on leave that same
day.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">In October, Eleanor Graham, a
student in one of Lloyd\u2019s classes, set off a string of guest
columns slanted against Lloyd that appeared in The Tech, a
weekly student newspaper. In it, she wrote that allowing
Lloyd to continue to teach at MIT puts the next generation
of scientists in a difficult position.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cThe opportunity to study
quantum computation should not be restricted by how easily
you can put aside your moral discomfort regarding a man who
takes money from pedophiles as a supposed act of charity,\u201d
wrote Graham, who ended up dropping the class. \u201cBy
continuing to teach, by continuing to be a part of the
scientific community, Seth Lloyd is continuing to do harm.\u201d</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Later that month, MIT Students
Against War staged a silent protest outside of Lloyd\u2019s
classroom, prompting Lloyd to conduct his lecture over a
video link with police officers guarding both the classroom
where the students were and the one in which Lloyd gave his
talk.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">During Parent\u2019s Weekend last
fall, the group printed hundreds of posters with messages
like \u201cSeth Lloyd Must Go\u201d and posted them around campus.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">The group demanded Lloyd\u2019s
resignation and pressured MIT President Rafael Reif to get
rid of him. When he at first didn\u2019t take action with Lloyd,
they called for Reif\u2019s resignation and staged protests that
were anything but silent.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Alonso Espinosa-Domínguez, an
MIT senior majoring in mathematics, said in an email to the
Journal that Reif told them that all he could do was ask the
provost and Lloyd\u2019s department head to look into options.
But it was Rief who eventually placed Lloyd on leave.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cWhich means Reif had more
authority than he let on initially,\u201d said
Espinosa-Domínguez, who is also one of the co-founders of
MIT Students Against War.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">He says that Reif placed Lloyd
on leave pending the department head\u2019s determination of
appropriate action.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cBut we do not trust that MIT
will not simply decide that the \u2018appropriate action\u2019 is to
reinstate him once the media attention dies down, and so we
intend to continue applying pressure,\u201d he said.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Espinosa-Domínguez said that
keeping Lloyd on staff at MIT sends the wrong message.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cPeople like Seth Lloyd, Joi
Ito, and all the other high-profile scientists, business
people, publicists, etc., who over the years continued to
vouch for Epstein, despite all the obvious evidence
available of his multiple sex crimes against women and
underage girls and his overall patriarchal attitude toward
women, directly enabled him,\u201d he wrote. \u201cThis is reflective
of a broader issue in our society wherein, especially in
elite, male circles, sexual predators and the
commodification of women are widely tolerated and enabled.
If MIT were serious about combatting this grave issue which
plagues it, science, and society overall, they would take
the basic step of parting ways with Lloyd.\u201d</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em"><b>Lloyd\u2019s SFI associations</b></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Lloyd\u2019s association with SFI
started four years after its founding in 1984.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">One of the founders was Murray
Gell-Mann, under whom Lloyd studied applications of
information to quantum-mechanical systems while a
postdoctoral fellow at the California Institute of
Technology.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Gell-Mann, a professor at the
University of New Mexico in the 1990s and early 2000s who
died in Santa Fe last year, was friendly with Epstein and
acknowledged Epstein\u2019s financial contributions to SFI in his
1994 book \u201cThe Quark and the Jaguar, Adventures in the
Simple and the Complex.\u201d The New Times reported he was also
a guest of Epstein at dinners and scientific conferences.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">According to the MIT report,
Lloyd was introduced to Epstein by his book agent at a
dinner in 2004. Lloyd told investigators that he received
his first contribution from Epstein in 2005 or 2006.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Epstein was first investigated
for committing sex crimes with children in 2005 after a
parent of a 14-year-old girl contacted police in Palm Beach,
Florida. A probable cause affidavit was filed by police in
2006.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">But there was something unusual
about that first donation of $60,000.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cIn a possible violation of MIT
policies and certainly in violation of MIT norms, Professor
Lloyd deposited the gift into a personal bank account and
did not report it to MIT,\u201d the report states.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">In a statement Lloyd posted last
week on the online publishing platform <a
href="http://medium.com" moz-do-not-send="true">medium.com</a>
\u2013 the same website Lloyd published an apology to Epstein\u2019s
victims in August \u2013 Lloyd explained that Epstein offered him
a \u201cpersonal grant\u201d for his research and told him to set up a
nonprofit as a vehicle to accept the grant. That took a long
time, he said, and Epstein ended up giving him the money as
a gift, on which he paid a gift tax. The money was used to
support his scientific research, he said.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">He also said that he wasn\u2019t then
aware of any accusations of sexual misconduct against
Epstein.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cAt the time that I accepted the
2006 grant (years before his 2008 conviction), my knowledge
was that Epstein was a wealthy individual who liked to
support science, and so accepting an unrestricted personal
grant from him for performing scientific research was
unproblematic,\u201d he said.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Later, Lloyd visited Epstein\u2019s
private island near St. Thomas, where it is now alleged that
Epstein committed many of his sex crimes. A lawsuit against
Epstein\u2019s estate filed last week by the government of the
U.S. Virgin Islands alleges Epstein raped and otherwise
sexually abused girls, some as young as 12 and as recently
as 2018, after he lured them to the island of Little St.
James.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">The MIT report says Lloyd
attended a lunch there with other scientists and was only
there for \u201ca few hours.\u201d</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em"><b>Visit to Epstein</b></p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Even after Epstein\u2019s conviction,
Lloyd continued to carry on a relationship with Epstein and
accept money from him. The Goodwin Proctor report for MIT
says Lloyd made efforts to hide the source of two $50,000
donations in 2012, which were unsolicited, and a $125,000
contribution in 2017.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Those donations came after Lloyd
visited Epstein while he was serving his 18-month sentence
on the 2008 conviction. This was no jailhouse meeting,
however. It occurred in an office Epstein used while on
\u201cwork release\u201d during what has been criticized as an
exceptionally light sentence.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Lloyd later explained that in
continuing his relationship with Epstein he felt he could
help with his \u201crehabilitation.\u201d</p>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">The report indicates that Lloyd
and Ito fostered a relationship with Epstein in an effort to
obtain funding for their research but they didn\u2019t want
others to know the money was coming from Epstein.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cThe fact-finding revealed that,
despite Epstein\u2019s criminal record, and his registration as a
sex offender, Professor Lloyd and former Media Lab Director
Ito attempted to cultivate Epstein as a potential source of
research and program funding and drove the efforts to obtain
donations from and through him,\u201d the report states.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">This took place while MIT was
working \u201cto limit Epstein\u2019s donations, and affiliation with,
MIT.\u201d</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cIn summary, Professor Lloyd
knew that donations from Epstein would be controversial and
that MIT might reject them,\u201d the report states. \u201cWe conclude
that, in concert with Epstein, he purposefully decided not
to alert the Institute to Epstein\u2019s criminal record,
choosing instead to allow mid-level administrators to
process the donations without any formal discussion or
diligence concerning Epstein. In his interview, Professor
Lloyd acknowledged that he had been \u2018professionally remiss\u2019
in not alerting MIT to Epstein\u2019s criminal record.\u201d</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Lloyd\u2019s statement last week
characterizes things differently.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cI didn\u2019t hide the fact that
Epstein was donating money to MIT. Nor did I conspire with
Epstein to avoid any vetting process,\u201d he wrote. \u201cI actively
inquired about MIT\u2019s proper procedures for accepting
donations, and I followed them to the letter.\u201d</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">But the Goodwin Proctor report
found that one of the 2012 donations listed Lesley Groff, an
assistant to Epstein and now a defendant and co-conspirator
in civil cases against Epstein, was handling the
contribution on the donor\u2019s end.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cThe only reasonable inference
is that Professor Lloyd did this to obscure the fact that
Epstein was the donor and to hinder any possible due
diligence or vetting by MIT,\u201d the report says.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">This, too, Lloyd denies.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cThe accusation that I hid
Epstein\u2019s identity from MIT, which is leveled in the
recently released Goodwin Proctor report, is completely
false,\u201d he wrote. \u201cI never hid the identity of Epstein as
the donor prior to the donation being accepted. I
facilitated the submission of the donation approval request
to the MIT officers exactly so they could vet it. MIT knew
that the donor was Epstein and fully approved the donation
with this knowledge.\u201d</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Lloyd said he wasn\u2019t trying to
diminish his mistakes or make excuses for his lapse of
judgment, \u201cwhich will continue to weigh on my conscience for
the rest of my life.\u201d</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">Lloyd declined to be interviewed
by the Journal. He did alert the Journal to the statement he
posted last week.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em">\u201cI will not be commenting
further at the moment,\u201d he added.</p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em"> </p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 1em"><em>(Editor\u2019s Note: MIT
President Rafael Reif\u2019s name was misspelled in the
original version of this story)</em></p>
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