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    <p>Too much (IMO) of our contemporary (public and private?)
      discourse seems to be high on confirmation bias.   </p>
    <p>The ensemble of possible futures (trajectories through?) has
      exploded (see Kauffman's "Adjacent Possible") both with the growth
      of technological complexity and with the shift in distribution of
      communication "distances" (both geospatial and network).   <br>
    </p>
    <p>Confirmation bias I will speculate (if not quite assert) is an
      important self-protective skill (where self is the individual and
      possibly collective ego).  <br>
    </p>
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      <p><i>See, see!  I Tole ya!  <br>
        </i></p>
      <p><i>(</i>hell in a handbasket OR heaven on a handcart, you pick<i>)</i></p>
    </blockquote>
    <p>There is a reason it exists and is so ubiquitous, but that
      doesn't mean it isn't  (yet another) delusion and likely harmful
      in the long run.  It might be a good way to "get you through the
      day" but I contend *really sucks* as a long-term thinking
      strategy.</p>
    <p>I appreciate Pinker offering us up lots of anecdotes/factoids and
      a hopeful narrative to string them together.  I think they are a
      nice tonic (though not antidote) for <i>murky dismal</i> thinking
      (<i>awfulizing</i> can be it's own self-fulfilling thing)...   but
      at least one place he goes too far is to assume that HIS measures
      of "a good life" are actually universal and complete.   They
      probably do apply to him and to most/many on this list
      (middle-class +/- professionals far enough into their
      careers/lives to have some assets or at least momentum).<br>
    </p>
    <p>Stable Genius in Chief  insists that the "roaring economy" he's
      managed to pump up on massive environmental and social
      deregulation steroids and government-debt fueled injections (via
      huge tax cuts for both wealthy and corporate players in the stock
      market) adds to everyone's quality of life.  Those without much if
      any stake in the stock market have to depend on the lower
      unemployment rates that go with a "boom" which is *some* relief,
      but if the bulk of the increased employment is in low-pay,
      no-benefit jobs, it is at best a minor salve for some, and a
      double-down for others (like the company store in the company town
      raising prices but increasing everyone's credit limit and offering
      a wider variety of luxury items most cant really afford in the
      first place?).</p>
    <p>Much if not all of the first-world (at least Anglophonic ) seems
      to be on the same trip...   <br>
    </p>
    <p>To balance my own "awfulizing",  I have some confidence in
      anecdotal heuristics like: "darkest before dawn" ; "has to get
      worse before it gets better" ; "gotta hit bottom before you bounce
      back up".  Our collective will/consciousness/awareness/???   IS a
      distribution (the other subthread here of interest) and I wonder
      at whether it is more usefully characterized as an integral or a
      superposition?</p>
    <p>Mumble, <br>
    </p>
    <p>- Steve<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
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      <div dir="ltr">So much trouble?<br>
        <br>
        I'm an enthusiastic supporter of Steven Pinker's, I quote from 
        <a
href="https://www.amazon.com/Enlightenment-Now-Science-Humanism-Progress/dp/0525427570"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.amazon.com/Enlightenment-Now-Science-Humanism-Progress/dp/0525427570</a> 
        :<br>
        "If you think the world is coming to an end, think again: people
        are living longer, healthier, freer, and happier lives, and
        while our problems are formidable, the solutions lie in the
        Enlightenment ideal of using reason and science.<br>
        Is the world really falling apart? Is the ideal of progress
        obsolete? In this elegant assessment of the human condition in
        the third millennium, cognitive scientist and public
        intellectual Steven Pinker urges us to step back from the gory
        headlines and prophecies of doom, which play to our
        psychological biases. Instead, follow the data: In seventy-five
        jaw-dropping graphs, Pinker shows that life, health, prosperity,
        safety, peace, knowledge, and happiness are on the rise, not
        just in the West, but worldwide. This progress is not the result
        of some cosmic force. It is a gift of the Enlightenment: the
        conviction that reason and science can enhance human
        flourishing.<br>
        Far from being a naïve hope, the Enlightenment, we now know, has
        worked. But more than ever, it needs a vigorous defense. The
        Enlightenment project swims against currents of human
        nature--tribalism, authoritarianism, demonization, magical
        thinking--which demagogues are all too willing to exploit. Many
        commentators, committed to political, religious, or romantic
        ideologies, fight a rearguard action against it. The result is a
        corrosive fatalism and a willingness to wreck the precious
        institutions of liberal democracy and global cooperation.<br>
        With intellectual depth and literary flair, Enlightenment Now
        makes the case for reason, science, and humanism: the ideals we
        need to confront our problems and continue our progress." <br>
        <br>
        You might argue that it's not going to hold in the future, but I
        think you're on shaky ground to argue we are in trouble now.<br>
        <br>
        Pieter </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 17:32,
          Merle Lefkoff <<a href="mailto:merlelefkoff@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">merlelefkoff@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <div class="gmail_default"
              style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This is the hubris
              that has got us into so much trouble!</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at
              1:00 AM Pieter Steenekamp <<a
                href="mailto:pieters@randcontrols.co.za" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">pieters@randcontrols.co.za</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Yep, I would go for this one. IMO we are
                involved in a collective process where communication,
                reason, and action are indeed possible and flourishing.
                Sure there are risks, climate change being one but not
                the only one. Humanity is still very fragile and
                vulnerable to existential risks like climate change, a
                big meteor or comet hitting the earth, a big sun flare
                causing major damage to our electricity distribution
                networks, new very dangerous, and others. The end could
                come before I finish this sentence. But on the positive
                side if you observe the progress that has happened, I am
                very optimistic that we are on the path towards a better
                future.  <br>
                I am a big fan of David Deutsch. Apart from him being
                part of having developed the first quantum computer
                algorithm (<a
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch%E2%80%93Jozsa_algorithm"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch%E2%80%93Jozsa_algorithm</a>)
                , his views on infinite progress as per his book The
                Beginning of Infinity resonates very well with me.<br>
                I quote about the book from wikipedia (<a
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beginning_of_Infinity"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beginning_of_Infinity</a>)<br>
                “Deutsch views the Enlightenment of the 18th century as
                near the beginning of an infinite sequence of
                purposeful knowledge creation. Knowledge here consists
                of information with good explanatory function that has
                proven resistant to falsification. Any real process is
                physically possible to perform provided the knowledge to
                do so has been acquired. The Enlightenment set up the
                conditions for knowledge creation which disrupted the
                static societies that previously existed. These
                conditions are the valuing of creativity and the free
                and open debate that exposed ideas to criticism to
                reveal those good explanatory ideas that naturally
                resist being falsified due to their having basis in
                reality. Deutsch points to previous moments in history,
                such as Renaissance Florence and Plato's Academy in
                Golden Age Athens, where this process almost got
                underway before succumbing to their static societies'
                resistance to change.”<br>
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                <div>Pieter</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at
                  01:05, Marcus Daniels <<a
                    href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                        size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt">Nick
                          writes:</span></font></div>
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                        size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt">"So, in
                          these sorts of situations, people tend to sort
                          themselves out into Dionysians and
                          Apollonians, the former declaring that we're
                          probably  fucked and we might as well stay
                          warm, run around in our cars, and burn all the
                          coal we can, and the later declaring that we
                          have a chance to get it right and we should
                          take our best shot."</span></font></div>
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                    <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">How
                      about one step back:  Are we involved in a
                      collective process where communication, reason,
                      and action are possible?   If we are not, then
                      democracy is nothing more than a temporary way to
                      keep the peace and to diffuse a need many have for
                      (a feeling of) agency.  It is a rearrangement of
                      deck chairs because soon the real shit will be
                      coming down.   If all living creatures are just
                      riding a wave, a process unfolding and going
                      wherever it must go, some may recognize they have
                      no control and rationally opt for the Dionysian
                      approach.  Other living things like koalas and
                      kangeroos and polar bears die by the millions,
                      helpless and afraid.   At least the Dionysian gets
                      the luxury of recognizing, "Yep, this is it."  It
                      just depends on what kind of influence *can*
                      work.  At one point the British Empire ruled over
                      a quarter of the world.   Now it isn't even
                      possible to get people to dispose of their plastic
                      bottles properly.  I think the Apollonians better
                      take charge ASAP, if that's what they are going to
                      do. 
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                      dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
                        face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
                        Friam <<a
                          href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
                        on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣ <<a
                          href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gepropella@gmail.com</a>><br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2020 2:49 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> FriAM <<a
                          href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Murdoch and Trump</font>
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                          <div>Nah. I reject the dichotomy. I consider
                            myself both D and an A, but in different
                            domains. And I think it might be reasonable
                            to time slice between A & D. My sister's
                            ex used to say "We play hard and we work
                            hard" ... indicating that they were both D
                            & A, maybe even simultaneously,
                            depending on how you interpret that.<br>
                            <br>
                            The more interesting thing about AGW is
                            whether or not one *must* be a believer or a
                            "skeptic" [†], and nothing in between. As a
                            dyed in the wool agnostic, I neither believe
                            nor am I a "skeptic", from gun control to
                            abortion to AGW. I also don't like Britney
                            Spears' music. But if she showed up at my
                            door and asked me to ... oh, I don't know
                            ... create a visualization package for her
                            music, I would definitely do it, which would
                            mean listening to her music a LOT for days
                            on end. You don't have to agree with a
                            mission in order to contribute to the
                            mission.<br>
                            <br>
                            So, it seems to me to be *unreasonable* to
                            run around complaining about how so many
                            people are AGW believers. So what? If you
                            don't want to work on the problem, go work
                            on something else. It's just weird how the
                            "skeptics" are so obsessed. E.g.<br>
                            <br>
                              <a
                              href="https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg</a><br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            [†] In quotes to indicate that many people
                            abuse the term. I am a skeptic, but not a
                            "skeptic" ... if you grok the gist.<br>
                            <br>
                            On 1/21/20 12:17 PM, <a
                              href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>
                            wrote:<br>
                            > While I am "in", it seems to me that a
                            distinction is beginning to evolve here
                            between whether a reasonable person CAN
                            doubt Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) and
                            whether such a person SHOULD doubt AGW.   I
                            think reasonable people could argue whether
                            we are in a period of AGW (400yrs), a period
                            of global cooling (11,000 yrs) or a
                            spectacularly fragile and geologically
                            unprecedented period of climate stability
                            (also about 11kyrs).  So, in these sorts of
                            situations, people tend to sort themselves
                            out into Dionysians and Apollonians, the
                            former declaring that we're probably  fucked
                            and we might as well stay warm, run around
                            in our cars, and burn all the coal we can,
                            and the later declaring that we have a
                            chance to get it right and we should take
                            our best shot.  I am, as you all know, with
                            the Apollonians.  We are, after all, the
                            choosing species, the species that can
                            knowingly chart it's own path.  So we
                            “should” choose; in fact, we /will/ chose,
                            even if we only do so by<br>
                            > choosing not to choose. <br>
                            > <br>
                            >  <br>
                            > <br>
                            > But it's clear, now why the debate is
                            so intractable.  The debate between
                            Dionysians and Apollonians has been in
                            progress for centuries, so it's no surprise
                            that we are struggling with it now. <br>
                            > <br>
                            >  <br>
                            > <br>
                            > I hear some of you formulating an
                            argument that whether we are D’s or A’s
                            should be determined by the shape of the
                            hazard space.  As a collective, I think we
                            FRIAMMERS are particularly well positioned
                            and qualified to have that discussion, and I
                            hope it will continue. <br>
                            <br>
                            -- <br>
                            ☣ uǝlƃ<br>
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