<div dir="ltr">If we are willing to go back and forth a bit between being philosophers and psychologists for a moment, there are far more interesting things to talk about regarding "altered states".... here are the some of the issues: <div><br></div><div><ol><li>When someone claims to be responding to something, we should believe they are responding to <i>something</i>. </li><li>People generally suck at stating what they are responding to, even in highly mundane situations. </li><li>It is worth studying any types of experiences that lead fairly reliably to other certain future experiences, because in such situations one has a chance discover what it is people are <i>actually </i>responding to. </li><li>As we are complex dynamic systems, human development is affected by all sorts of things in non-obvious ways.</li><li>There is no <i>a priori </i>reason to discount the insights one experiences under "altered states of consciousness", but also no <i>a priori</i> reason to give them special credence. </li><li>The degree to which a someone has a sense of certainty about something is not generally a reliable measure of how likely that thing is to hold up in the long run, unless many, many, many other assumptions are met.</li><li>There is likely good reason to think that altered states of consciousness are less reliable in general than "regular" states.</li><li>There are many examples that suggest certain insights-that-turn-out-to-hold-up-pretty-well, which were first experienced when under an altered state, were unlikely to have been experienced without that altered state. </li></ol><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Is that the type of stuff we were are poking at?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="all">-----------<br><div dir="ltr">Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.<br>Department of Justice - Personnel <span>Psychologist</span></div><div>American University - Adjunct Instructor</div><div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:echarles@american.edu" target="_blank"></a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:30 PM Frank Wimberly <<a href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Agreed<br><br><div>---<br>Frank C. Wimberly, PhD<br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 12:25 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Frank writes:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><It would constitute proof that Marcus exists if he were to admit that I was correct in our years-ago argument when I said that gender defines an equivalence relation on the set of people.><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Definitions. Notation. Argh, who cares. Where’s that neuralyzer, let me get rid of them.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(That should at least be evidence of continuity!)<u></u><u></u></p>
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