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<font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt">< What, a priori, constitutes an "edge". How do we know where "edges" are? ></span></font></div>
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<font size="2"><span style="font-size:11pt">Edge in this context could mean entities that have low betweenness.
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 23, 2020 5:37 PM<br>
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<div class="PlainText">Glen, I really want to punt this to Eric, but I have one question for you.<br>
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What, a priori, constitutes an "edge". How do we know where "edges" are?<br>
To take an absurd example, imagine that we had a way of flying an airplane<br>
above 1,000 mph and below 600 mph without ever passing through 740 mph. So,<br>
somebody says, "We've never tried 740; let's try that!" Would that be an<br>
edge? So, "edginess" is defined only by paucity of data? Or is there<br>
something else to it? <br>
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Nicholas Thompson<br>
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br>
Clark University<br>
ThompNickSon2@gmail.com<br>
<a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><br>
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From: Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen<br>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 4:56 PM<br>
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question<br>
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You used the word 'credence'. So maybe what I'm gonna say is irrelevant. But<br>
edge cases *do* present high value, low N, experimental opportunites. One<br>
set that comes to mind are the twins, where one went to space and the other<br>
didn't. The same could be said of rare *people* like the autistic, or those<br>
with other conditions that aren't squarely within 1 sigma of the mean.<br>
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To suggest, which you didn't quite do, <br>
[NST===>] But I did, so your comment is important to me, anyway. <br>
that the rare is no *more* insightful than the common, would be a conflation<br>
of different *types* of insight.<br>
[NST===>] I am interested in the notion of types of insight and why the<br>
scare-asterisks, or are they emphasis-asterisks. Can you say more? <br>
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In fact, I'd argue that a complete study of the edge cases is MORE important<br>
than yet another study of the normal cases. Taking massive doses of LSD is<br>
no different from flying your new plane at 6 G's. What you learn will<br>
probably be more significant than hanging with the old men at the Denny's or<br>
flying your 737 on typical flight plans (if you don't die, of course).<br>
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On February 22, 2020 1:41:55 PM PST, Eric Charles<br>
<eric.phillip.charles@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
> 5. There is no *a priori *reason to discount the insights one<br>
> experiences under "altered states of consciousness", but also no *a<br>
> priori* reason to give them special credence.<br>
> 6. The degree to which a someone has a sense of certainty about <br>
>something is not generally a reliable measure of how likely that thing <br>
>is to hold up in the long run, unless many, many, many other <br>
>assumptions are<br>
> met.<br>
> 7. There is likely good reason to think that altered states of<br>
> consciousness are less reliable in general than "regular" states.<br>
> 8. There are many examples that suggest certain <br>
>insights-that-turn-out-to-hold-up-pretty-well, which were first <br>
>experienced when under an altered state, were unlikely to have been <br>
>experienced without<br>
> that altered state.<br>
--<br>
glen<br>
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