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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/20 8:56 AM, Prof David West
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">France is pushing chloroquine
hard. A FriAMer has relatives there.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial;">Just because the first person that
told people about this was an idiot does not make the
information wrong.<br>
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<p>He was far from the first, just the loudest/brashest. He
*would* have us believe that he personally *discovered* this
off-label use... but that IS how he rolls.. no surprises.<br>
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<p>There is a presumed responsibility when you have a megaphone.
But that is one of the broken norms for worse (and better). <br>
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<p>The unintended consequences of his
mass-tweet/news-conference/rally announcements are sweeping. I do
not believe he *intended* to cause a slam on the chloroquine
supply chain, nor for self-described self-reliant folks like the
AZ couple to run out and make a small/obvious but terminal
mistake.</p>
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<div>On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Barry MacKichan wrote:<br>
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<p dir="auto">Elon Musk had a serious brush with malaria
about 20 years ago, and is evidently one of the insistent
sources pushing for chloroquine. Sorry, I don’t have
references.<br>
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<p dir="auto">—Barry<br>
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<p dir="auto">On 24 Mar 2020, at 0:42, Steven A Smith wrote:<br>
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<div>My first reaction to this was: THANK YOU DEAR
LEADER!<br>
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<div> But, I don't know if we can attribute this kind of
accident to POTUS45<br>
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<div> or not... my gut instinct is that his constant
raving about it is what<br>
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<div> triggered these people to give it a whirl.<br>
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<div> I have one toe in the survivalist/prepper community
and they are known<br>
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<div> for aquiring and stockpiling antibiotics sold for
fish/aquariums. All<br>
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<div> the major human antibiotics have fish equivalents
FishMox and FishFlox<br>
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<div> for example. There is much discussion/lore/wisdom
in that community<br>
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<div> around which products/sources are actually
pharmaceutical-grade and<br>
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<div> honest-dosage and well-regulated. I didn't know of
chloroquine <br>
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<div> phosphate or it's use... they are saying "cleaning"
but I think they<br>
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<div> mean disinfecting. It sounds to me that the problem
was dosage, not<br>
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<div> contamination, but the product they used may have
been cut or mixed with<br>
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<div> something toxic to humans.<br>
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<div> I've a friend who lived in Ghana for years with
Peace Corps who<br>
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<div> contracted malaria and was medicated with one of the
chloroquine drugs. <br>
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<div> He understood then (25 years ago) that it was the
third world's<br>
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<div> "silver-bullet" and in his case it turned his
symptoms around<br>
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<div> (life-threatening) in hours (on an IV).... his
response to this<br>
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<div> prescription-from-POTUS is that the death rate in
the third world could<br>
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<div> spike if the first world diverts their supply
(probably coming from<br>
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<div> China?) abruptly for our own use. <br>
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<div> I also heard that patients depending on these
chloroquines in the first<br>
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<div> world are already finding that the supplies are
drying up and many<br>
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<div> cannot get their usual refills. Doh!<br>
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