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    <p>Michel -</p>
    <p>I only had a brief moment to check out your groups webpages (the
      Google Translate English version is surprisingly good for such a
      technical document).   The <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="http://mountvernon.fr/Etapes_historiques.html">Complexity
        Timeline page</a> was particularly apt as I have tried to
      recover that from my own experiences/memory and that of others.  
      <br>
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    <p>How are things looking for you there on the ground in France? 
      I've been checking in with my social/professional network in
      UK/EU/AU but France's central location in Europe and unique
      cultural style would seem to suggest an equally unique
      experience/perspective?</p>
    <p>- Steve<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/20 10:09 AM, Michel Bloch
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">I don’t if Professor Raoult is right or not,
            but, for him, the word « idiot » is inappropriate, you might
            use “character » or “unusual” or “bizarre”:</span><span
            lang="EN-US"> </span><span
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              href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult#Citations"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Amicalement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Michel Bloch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a
                href="http://mountvernon.fr/" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                  style="color:#0563C1">http://mountvernon.fr/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt">06 80 57
              3398</span></i><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>De :</b> Friam
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>De la part de</b>
              Steven A Smith<br>
              <b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 24 mars 2020 16:27<br>
              <b>À :</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
              <b>Objet :</b> Re: [FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 3/24/20 8:56 AM, Prof David West
            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">France
                is pushing chloroquine hard. A FriAMer has relatives
                there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just
                because the first person that told people about this was
                an idiot does not make the information wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p>He was far from the first, just the loudest/brashest.   He
          *would* have us believe that he personally *discovered* this
          off-label use...   but that IS how he rolls.. no surprises.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>There is a presumed responsibility when you have a
          megaphone.  But that is one of the broken norms for worse (and
          better). <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>The unintended consequences of his
          mass-tweet/news-conference/rally announcements are sweeping. 
          I do not believe he *intended* to cause a slam on the
          chloroquine supply chain, nor for self-described self-reliant
          folks like the AZ couple to run out and make a small/obvious
          but terminal mistake.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Barry
              MacKichan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p><span
                    style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Elon
                    Musk had a serious brush with malaria about 20 years
                    ago, and is evidently one of the insistent sources
                    pushing for chloroquine. Sorry, I don’t have
                    references.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p><span
                    style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">—Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p><span
                    style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
                    24 Mar 2020, at 0:42, Steven A Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My
                        first reaction to this was:  THANK YOU DEAR
                        LEADER!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                            style="color:#777777">https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">But,
                        I don't know if we can attribute this kind of
                        accident to POTUS45<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">or
                        not... my gut instinct is that his constant
                        raving about it is what<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">triggered
                        these people to give it a whirl.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
                        have one toe in the survivalist/prepper
                        community and they are known<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">for
                        aquiring and stockpiling antibiotics sold for
                        fish/aquariums.   All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">the
                        major human antibiotics have fish equivalents
                        FishMox and FishFlox<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">for
                        example.   There is much discussion/lore/wisdom
                        in that community<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">around
                        which products/sources are actually
                        pharmaceutical-grade and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">honest-dosage
                        and well-regulated.   I didn't know of
                        chloroquine <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">phosphate
                        or it's use... they are saying "cleaning" but I
                        think they<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">mean
                        disinfecting.  It sounds to me that the problem
                        was dosage, not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">contamination,
                        but the product they used may have been cut or
                        mixed with<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">something
                        toxic to humans.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I've
                        a friend who lived in Ghana for years with Peace
                        Corps who<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">contracted
                        malaria and was medicated with one of the
                        chloroquine drugs. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">He
                        understood then (25 years ago) that it was the
                        third world's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"silver-bullet"
                        and in his case it turned his symptoms around<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(life-threatening)
                        in hours (on an IV).... his response to this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">prescription-from-POTUS
                        is that the death rate in the third world could<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">spike
                        if the first world diverts their supply
                        (probably coming from<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">China?)
                        abruptly for  our own use.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
                        also heard that patients depending on these
                        chloroquines in the first<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">world
                        are already finding that the supplies are drying
                        up and many<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">cannot
                        get their usual refills.   Doh!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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