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<p>Michel -</p>
<p>I only had a brief moment to check out your groups webpages (the
Google Translate English version is surprisingly good for such a
technical document). The <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mountvernon.fr/Etapes_historiques.html">Complexity
Timeline page</a> was particularly apt as I have tried to
recover that from my own experiences/memory and that of others.
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<p>How are things looking for you there on the ground in France?
I've been checking in with my social/professional network in
UK/EU/AU but France's central location in Europe and unique
cultural style would seem to suggest an equally unique
experience/perspective?</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/20 10:09 AM, Michel Bloch
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I don’t if Professor Raoult is right or not,
but, for him, the word « idiot » is inappropriate, you might
use “character » or “unusual” or “bizarre”:</span><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult#Citations"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult#Citations</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Amicalement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Michel Bloch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt">06 80 57
3398</span></i><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>De :</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>De la part de</b>
Steven A Smith<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 24 mars 2020 16:27<br>
<b>À :</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 3/24/20 8:56 AM, Prof David West
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">France
is pushing chloroquine hard. A FriAMer has relatives
there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just
because the first person that told people about this was
an idiot does not make the information wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p>He was far from the first, just the loudest/brashest. He
*would* have us believe that he personally *discovered* this
off-label use... but that IS how he rolls.. no surprises.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>There is a presumed responsibility when you have a
megaphone. But that is one of the broken norms for worse (and
better). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The unintended consequences of his
mass-tweet/news-conference/rally announcements are sweeping.
I do not believe he *intended* to cause a slam on the
chloroquine supply chain, nor for self-described self-reliant
folks like the AZ couple to run out and make a small/obvious
but terminal mistake.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Barry
MacKichan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Elon
Musk had a serious brush with malaria about 20 years
ago, and is evidently one of the insistent sources
pushing for chloroquine. Sorry, I don’t have
references.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">—Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
24 Mar 2020, at 0:42, Steven A Smith wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My
first reaction to this was: THANK YOU DEAR
LEADER!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#777777">https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">But,
I don't know if we can attribute this kind of
accident to POTUS45<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">or
not... my gut instinct is that his constant
raving about it is what<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">triggered
these people to give it a whirl.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
have one toe in the survivalist/prepper
community and they are known<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">for
aquiring and stockpiling antibiotics sold for
fish/aquariums. All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">the
major human antibiotics have fish equivalents
FishMox and FishFlox<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">for
example. There is much discussion/lore/wisdom
in that community<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">around
which products/sources are actually
pharmaceutical-grade and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">honest-dosage
and well-regulated. I didn't know of
chloroquine <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">phosphate
or it's use... they are saying "cleaning" but I
think they<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">mean
disinfecting. It sounds to me that the problem
was dosage, not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">contamination,
but the product they used may have been cut or
mixed with<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">something
toxic to humans.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I've
a friend who lived in Ghana for years with Peace
Corps who<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">contracted
malaria and was medicated with one of the
chloroquine drugs. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">He
understood then (25 years ago) that it was the
third world's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"silver-bullet"
and in his case it turned his symptoms around<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(life-threatening)
in hours (on an IV).... his response to this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">prescription-from-POTUS
is that the death rate in the third world could<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">spike
if the first world diverts their supply
(probably coming from<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">China?)
abruptly for our own use. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
also heard that patients depending on these
chloroquines in the first<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">world
are already finding that the supplies are drying
up and many<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">cannot
get their usual refills. Doh!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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