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<p>personally it is about not adding anymore oxygen to his corrupt
flame</p>
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<p>"he who shall not be named"</p>
<p>"orange swirl"</p>
<p>"45"</p>
<p>POTUS (reflect the office, not the person, except
circumstantially)</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/20 10:16 AM, Marcus Daniels
wrote:<br>
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I think some people are getting in the habit of using "he" to
mean "The Idiot" to avoid 1) NSA keyword searches and 2) to
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Marcus<br>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> on behalf of Frank Wimberly
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com"><wimberly3@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate Death</font>
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<div dir="auto">I thought he was referring to Trump. Am I
missing something?<br>
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<div>---<br>
Frank C. Wimberly<br>
505 670-9918<br>
Santa Fe, NM</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020,
10:09 AM Michel Bloch <<a
href="mailto:mbloch@mountvernon.fr" moz-do-not-send="true">mbloch@mountvernon.fr</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I don’t if
Professor Raoult is right or not, but, for him, the
word « idiot » is inappropriate, you might use
“character » or “unusual” or “bizarre”:</span><span
lang="EN-US">
</span><span><a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult#Citations"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult#Citations</a></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Amicalement</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Michel
Bloch</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><a
href="http://mountvernon.fr/" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563c1">http://mountvernon.fr/</span></a></span></i></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt">06
80 57 3398</span></i><span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b>De :</b> Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>De la part de</b> Steven A Smith<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 24 mars 2020 16:27<br>
<b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [FRIAM] Choroquine-phosphate
Death</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">On 3/24/20 8:56 AM, Prof David
West wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">France
is pushing chloroquine hard. A FriAMer has
relatives there.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just
because the first person that told people about
this was an idiot does not make the information
wrong.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p>He was far from the first, just the
loudest/brashest. He *would* have us believe that he
personally *discovered* this off-label use... but
that IS how he rolls.. no surprises.</p>
<p>There is a presumed responsibility when you have a
megaphone. But that is one of the broken norms for
worse (and better).
</p>
<p>The unintended consequences of his
mass-tweet/news-conference/rally announcements are
sweeping. I do not believe he *intended* to cause a
slam on the chloroquine supply chain, nor for
self-described self-reliant folks like the AZ couple
to run out and make a small/obvious but terminal
mistake.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">davew</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 2:53
PM, Barry MacKichan wrote:</p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Elon
Musk had a serious brush with malaria about
20 years ago, and is evidently one of the
insistent sources pushing for chloroquine.
Sorry, I don’t have references.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">—Barry</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On
24 Mar 2020, at 0:42, Steven A Smith wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My
first reaction to this was: THANK YOU
DEAR LEADER!</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#777777">https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/man-died-chloroquine-phosphate-coronavirus</span></a></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">But,
I don't know if we can attribute this
kind of accident to POTUS45</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">or
not... my gut instinct is that his
constant raving about it is what</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">triggered
these people to give it a whirl.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
have one toe in the survivalist/prepper
community and they are known</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">for
aquiring and stockpiling antibiotics
sold for fish/aquariums. All</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">the
major human antibiotics have fish
equivalents FishMox and FishFlox</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">for
example. There is much
discussion/lore/wisdom in that community</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">around
which products/sources are actually
pharmaceutical-grade and</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">honest-dosage
and well-regulated. I didn't know of
chloroquine </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">phosphate
or it's use... they are saying
"cleaning" but I think they</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">mean
disinfecting. It sounds to me that the
problem was dosage, not</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">contamination,
but the product they used may have been
cut or mixed with</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">something
toxic to humans.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I've
a friend who lived in Ghana for years
with Peace Corps who</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">contracted
malaria and was medicated with one of
the chloroquine drugs. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">He
understood then (25 years ago) that it
was the third world's</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"silver-bullet"
and in his case it turned his symptoms
around</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(life-threatening)
in hours (on an IV).... his response to
this</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">prescription-from-POTUS
is that the death rate in the third
world could</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">spike
if the first world diverts their supply
(probably coming from</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">China?)
abruptly for our own use. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
also heard that patients depending on
these chloroquines in the first</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">world
are already finding that the supplies
are drying up and many</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">cannot
get their usual refills. Doh!</span></p>
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