<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">Camus talks of "create what we are," Sartre "best they can realize themselves." It might appear that they both have some kind of belief in an innate Potential-of -Man.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Echoes of this seem to be foundational for the current fascination with Universal Basic Income. If Iona Innocent were relieved of her "material want" she would immediately turn into a poetess, philosopher, artisan, exemplar of all that is Human.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">From my reading of both philosophers, but not the entire canon of either, I believe that Camus is less naive in this regard than Sartre. Part of my belief stems from Sartre's conviction that communism was THE answer.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Both seem to blur issues of 'freedom-from' and 'freedom-to'. This same conflation of different notions results in cross-talk and therefore miscommunication between different cultural-political factions in the U.S.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><div><br></div><div class="qt-moz-forward-container"><div>Interesting contrast between two P(p)hilosophers (and friends) on
the topic of Freedom... a little dated but maybe good background
on contemplating our current paradox of "what means Freedom?"<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote><span class="size" style=""><span class="size" style="">‘Absolute freedom is
the right of the strongest to dominate,’ Camus wrote, while
‘absolute justice is achieved by the suppression of all
contradiction: therefore it destroys freedom.’ The conflict
between justice and freedom required constant re-balancing,
political moderation, an acceptance and celebration of that
which limits the most: our humanity. ‘To live and let live,’
he said, ‘in order to create what we are.’<br> <br> </span> <span class="size" style="">Sartre read<span> </span><i style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:unset;">The
Rebel<span> </span></i>with disgust. As far as he was
concerned, it<span> </span><i style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:unset;">was</i><span> </span>possible
to achieve perfect justice and freedom – that described the
achievement of communism. Under capitalism, and in poverty,
workers could not be free. Their options were unpalatable
and inhumane: to work a pitiless and alienating job, or to
die. But by removing the oppressors and broadly returning
autonomy to the workers, communism allows each individual to
live without material want, and therefore to choose how best
they can realise themselves. This makes them free, and
through this unbending equality, it is also just.</span></span></blockquote><div><span class="size" style=""><span class="size" style="">from</span></span><br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote><span class="size" style=""><a href="https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-camus-and-sartre-split-up-over-the-question-of-how-to-be-free">https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-camus-and-sartre-split-up-over-the-question-of-how-to-be-free</a><br> </span></blockquote></div><div>.-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .... . ...<br></div><div>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br></div><div>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam<br></div><div>unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com<br></div><div>archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/<br></div><div>FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ <br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div></body></html>