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initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">I believe that this
article (or a very similar one) was posted here a couple of years
ago:<br>
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href="https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/11/14/the-most-narcissistic-u-s-presidents/">https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/11/14/the-most-narcissistic-u-s-presidents/</a></p>
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><i>These researchers
also found that, on average, presidents are more narcissistic
than the average American. Moreover, the level of grandiose
narcissism in presidents has increased in recent decades.</i></p>
<p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 1.25em;
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><i>First, how do you
measure narcissism? Grandiose narcissism is a distinctive</i><i><span> </span></i><i><a
href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F10680002_Interpersonal_analysis_of_grandiose_and_vulnerable_narcissism%2Ffile%2Fe0b4951894e02c9a11.pdf&ei=CueDUp_aB5P84AO6n4CIAg&usg=AFQjCNGBFT_n9QrKjPzezpMxJKcnRxtK7Q&bvm=bv.56343320,d.dmg"
style="box-sizing: inherit; background-color: transparent;
color: rgb(93, 68, 136); text-decoration: none;">type</a></i><i><span> </span></i><i>of
narcissism characterized by exhibitionism, attention-seeking,
inflated demands of entitlement and denial of weaknesses.</i></p>
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25.536px; font-size: 1.14rem; font-family: Georgia, "Times
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">I have a hard time
agreeing with Glen's premise (as I understand it) that the
narcissism is not the problem, but rather the incompetence. On
the other hand, I don't know that the real problem is (in this
case, 45s) narcissism in itself, but the fact that we (by
commission or omission or incompetence or personal narcissism) put
him (and have kept him) at the apex of US (free world?) political
power. Perhaps it is legitimate to say that narcissism and
incompetence aggravate one another.<br>
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25.536px; font-size: 1.14rem; font-family: Georgia, "Times
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">The (2013) Pew study
puts LBJ and Teddy Roosevelt (~1.6) at the highest Narcissism
Index and JFK and Bill Clinton about half of that (.8) and Ronald
Reagan just above 0.0 and Adams, Truman, Washington, Carter, and
Eisenhower just below. I was surprised that the list wasn't
more skewed toward narcissism but not that it has increased of
late... as if the feedback loop of broadcast media reinforces
narcissism as a selection criteria for presidential aspirants and
presidential contest winners.<br>
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initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">I DO think that JFK
represents a possible support for Glen's implication that
competence can mitigate or operate in spite of narcissism. Or at
least many consider JFK to have been highly effective at pursuing
the best interest of the people of the USA.<br>
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25.536px; font-size: 1.14rem; font-family: Georgia, "Times
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">My intuition and
anecdotal experience suggests that narcissism is a huge risk when
involved in power, and for it to be mitigated, there needs to be a
balance of competence and goodwill for it not to generally be a
problem for everyone influenced by their power. Is goodwill
compatible with narcissism... the DSM definition includes "lack of
empathy"... on the surface, it appears that goodwill requires
empathy... but perhaps it is more complex?</p>
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Here is an interesting
blog-entry that seems to be a little more thorough/thoughtful
about narcissism than average.</p>
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href="https://www.truity.com/blog/are-you-secretly-narcissist">https://www.truity.com/blog/are-you-secretly-narcissist</a></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/28/20 7:27 PM, Frank Wimberly
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">If he weren't narcissistic he would defer to the
experts which would mitigate his incompetence. The BS about
being sarcastic is a pathetic way to rationalize his failure to
defer.
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<div>Since narcissism is universal adding "malignant" or
"pathological" makes a useful distinction.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:13
PM uǝlƃ ☣ <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">OK.
Well, risking too much repetition, if he were competent, he
wouldn't have said that ... and the policies would not have
followed ... and he would defer to the experts. Because, as
Dunning-Kruger and Zajenkowski et al, and Schröder-Abé et al,
seem to point out, competent people have a good handle on
their own incompetence, regardless of their narcissism.<br>
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On 4/28/20 5:50 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<br>
> My assumed audience is not the American public thank
God. An example of how his narcissism makes him dangerous is
his saying the coronavirus will be gone in five days and the
related policy positions. His grandiosity is threatened by
the prospect of deferring to epidemiologists and virologists.
That causes a narcissistic injury.<br>
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