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p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">Steve,<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">birth and control - remove the men from the breeding ground (home) to reduce the number of pregnancies. Father Smith presented the statistical and historical data for this argument.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">A near cultural universal is the inverse relation of sex and violence. You want fierce warriors, deny them sex. Rape is just an extension of the violence - no sexual or procreative element.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Sex was used as a reward for soldiers, but not via raping the vanquished. Most have heard of the Japanese "comfort battalions"in WWII, but few are aware of how common that practice was with most armies throughout history.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">General Hooker, US Civil War, was famous for his comfort battalion — "Hooker's Legions" — and that is the origin of the common term for a prostitute.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Sat, May 2, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><p>Dave -<br></p><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:73af3257-458d-43ae-ae4a-6aae153a6dfb@www.fastmail.com"><div style="font-family:Arial;">I once taught an honors course,
with Father Smith at St. Thomas on the Anthropology and Theology
of War. One of the prime forces behind war — since prehistory —
had been nothing more than birth control.<br></div></blockquote><p>Do you meant literally *birth* and *control*, or rather
*population* and *reduction*?<br></p><p>The more literal usage works well too. Controlling Births. I
think much warfare culminates (or did before modernish times) in
the victors killing the men and raping/impregnating and enslaving
the women either in-place, inhabiting the conquered lands or
taking them back to their homeland. Children alternatively would
have been killed or enslaved. Thus the genetic heritage of
Genghis Khan...<br></p><p>One step more sophisticated than the rats?<br></p><p>I don't think we have to go there, no matter how much the gun
hoarders want their chance at being unequivocally "on top" at
least for one round of the grande iterated prisoner's dilemma that
is human civilization.<br></p><p>- Steve<br></p><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:73af3257-458d-43ae-ae4a-6aae153a6dfb@www.fastmail.com"><blockquote type="cite" id="qt-qt" style=""><div class="qt-qt-WordSection1"><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal">Well, in a sense that’s correct. But
their <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/238356686_A_Utopian_perspective_on_ecology_and_development">method of “birth control”</a> is
not one that I am prepared to take as a model. Just imagine
the worst sort of dystopian post apocalyptic novel. See the
description of the Calhoun experiment on p 224.<br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal">Nick<br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and
Psychology<br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal">Clark University<br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style="color:rgb(5, 99, 193);">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style="color:rgb(5, 99, 193);">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><div style="border-right-color:currentcolor;border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-left-style:none;border-left-width:medium;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1pt;padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;"><div><b>From:</b> Friam <a class="qt-moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels<br></div><div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:15 PM<br></div><div><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <a class="qt-moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question<br></div></div></div><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal">< <span style="color:black;">You
recall that I invoked as a model that experiment in which
24 rats were put in a quarter acre enclosure in Baltimore
and fed and watered and protected to see how the
population would develop. They never got above two
hundred. </span>><br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal">Maybe the rats were right?<br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal"><b><span style=""><span class="qt-size" style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></span></span></b><br></p><p class="qt-qt-MsoNormal">Marcus<br></p></div><div>.-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -..
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