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p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">Genghis did not "stay home" to procreate. He traveled with his armies, conquered other tribes / peoples; then married the daughters of the leaders of those he conquered. Marriage and children provided the political glue that held his empire together — including appointing his daughters as governors instead of sons.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">My only assertion was that the Khan's genes spread via marriage - not wholesale rape.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Of course, the politically correct sensibility of today would characterize any marital relations under the umbrella of arranged / political marriage is by definition rape.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Sat, May 2, 2020, at 9:57 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><p><br></p><div class="qt-moz-cite-prefix">On 5/2/20 8:39 PM, Prof David West
wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:c98db5ab-779b-4835-8364-dd1a6d91d12a@www.fastmail.com"><div style="font-family:Arial;">Genghis spread his genes via wives
and concubines, not rapine. He also installed daughters and
wives as regional governors instead of sons. Interesting
historical figure.<br></div></blockquote><p>So Genghis stayed back home and procreated while he sent the boys
out into the field? And nobody got anyone pregnant while on the
road? Or just Hooker's Legionaires? <br></p><p>Hmmm.... curious.<br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:c98db5ab-779b-4835-8364-dd1a6d91d12a@www.fastmail.com"><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Sat, May 2, 2020, at 8:00 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt-qt" style=""><p>Dave -<br></p><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:73af3257-458d-43ae-ae4a-6aae153a6dfb@www.fastmail.com"><div style="font-family:Arial;">I once taught an honors
course, with Father Smith at St. Thomas on the Anthropology
and Theology of War. One of the prime forces behind war —
since prehistory — had been nothing more than birth control.<br></div></blockquote><p>Do you meant literally *birth* and *control*, or rather
*population* and *reduction*?<br></p><p>The more literal usage works well too. Controlling Births.
I think much warfare culminates (or did before modernish
times) in the victors killing the men and raping/impregnating
and enslaving the women either in-place, inhabiting the
conquered lands or taking them back to their homeland.
Children alternatively would have been killed or enslaved.
Thus the genetic heritage of Genghis Khan...<br></p><p>One step more sophisticated than the rats?<br></p><p>I don't think we have to go there, no matter how much the gun
hoarders want their chance at being unequivocally "on top" at
least for one round of the grande iterated prisoner's dilemma
that is human civilization.<br></p><p>- Steve<br></p><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:73af3257-458d-43ae-ae4a-6aae153a6dfb@www.fastmail.com"><blockquote type="cite" id="qt-qt-qt" style=""><div class="qt-qt-qt-WordSection1"><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal">Well, in a sense that’s
correct. But their <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/238356686_A_Utopian_perspective_on_ecology_and_development">method of “birth control”</a> is not one that I am prepared to take as a model. Just
imagine the worst sort of dystopian post apocalyptic
novel. See the description of the Calhoun experiment on
p 224.<br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal">Nick<br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of
Ethology and Psychology<br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal">Clark University<br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style="color:rgb(5, 99, 193);">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style="color:rgb(5, 99, 193);">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><div><div style="border-right-color:currentcolor;border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-left-color:currentcolor;border-left-style:none;border-left-width:medium;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1pt;padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0in;padding-bottom:0in;padding-left:0in;"><div><b>From:</b> Friam <a class="qt-qt-moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels<br></div><div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:15 PM<br></div><div><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <a class="qt-qt-moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived
question<br></div></div></div><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal">< <span style="color:black;">You recall that I invoked as a
model that experiment in which 24 rats were put in a
quarter acre enclosure in Baltimore and fed and
watered and protected to see how the population would
develop. They never got above two hundred. </span>><br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal">Maybe the rats were right?<br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal"><b><span style=""><span class="qt-qt-size" style=""><span class="qt-size" style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt;"> </span></span></span></span></b><br></p><p class="qt-qt-qt-MsoNormal">Marcus<br></p></div><div>.-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -.
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