<div dir="ltr">Me and a friend were talking about a topic like this the other day. Their are a lot of issues with washington. One is it's gotten really stuck on point fingers.<div>We came up with a rough geeky parallel to StarWars. lol people can probably guess where things are heading:</div><div>Washing has decided to invest some book of bad writing. Along the way basically a at first small rebellious hungry to hang on to ideals of what it thinks to be like good BFF, that you listen to all the time saying: that's a really bad idea! They basically become a mixture of the republic and some jedi. A much more extremist group comes then says: but we can't get anything done! So we'll just up and do it. They basically falling to the dark side</div><div>The Repblic and Jedi are a mix of people saying to hell with party polotics: they're a mixture of gop, jedi, and average citizens just wanting balanc.</div><div>The extremmesist of everyone (Gop citicens, Dems, etc) are Going to the dark side, some have the potential to be Sith.</div><div><br></div><div>It's my opinion this is the problem now. Two groups of extremists. Neither able or willing to here other side. Ranked voting might help that. I'm not sure now is a good idea to entirely get rid of both parties with a need for stability. But someway where it's a little less of this either GOP OR Dems. A 3rd or 4th viable working party could help with that.</div><div><br></div><div>It's my understanding Engand has several parties, and they work out to some degree, Adding more parties that'd work. We have a lot small "parties" that are their to basically troll. In my opinion.</div><div>Where as a few more legit parties potentially would help. The other side is actually following the rules everyone agreed to. The Sith have pretty much decided they'll just do what they want. regardless of what the rules actually say. While that's certainly one way to get things unstuck, but it's left a total mess in the process!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:56 AM cody dooderson <<a href="mailto:d00d3rs0n@gmail.com">d00d3rs0n@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I think that ranked choice is the best bet to escape from the horrible two party system. That being said there is not much insentive for the GOP or the DNC to adopt what could be enable competition. My friend Greg once said both parties are basically just advertising firms, and I still believe it. <div dir="auto">Also the idea of voting from a personal computer or phone really interests me. If someone could figure out how to overcome it's flaws it would be awesome. From what I understand the issues are, correct me if I'm wrong, </div><div dir="auto">* Anonymity while still providing some sort of record so one can verify that the vote was cast correctly. Equivalent to a paper ballot. There must be some math/ encryption trick for this.</div><div dir="auto">* How to verify that the person voting is who they say they are. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 4, 2020, 10:31 AM uǝlƃ ☣ <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" target="_blank">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Well, the usual caveats apply. I really have no idea what I'm talking about. But that's never stopped me before.<br>
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My intuition is given unlimited campaign funding (as free speech), really really long campaign seasons, and influence ops (ala Russia), 1st past the post 2 party systems foment false dichotomy and hyper-partisanship. I'm a big fan of dialectic (which I regard as installing false dichotomies -- or falsely disjoint sets for more than 2 positions -- for the sake of argument). But everything in moderation. When a (false) dichotomy is taken seriously, it loses its rhetorical power.<br>
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IRV and RCV seem to push people toward mediocrity. Of course, I'm no fan of popular music (or popular novels, or popular TV shows, etc.). But if every time I turned on the radio they were playing extreme noise, Yanni, or black metal, I'd be similarly Disturbed (ha! get it?).<br>
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So, I see IRV and RCV as a potential solution to finding compromise in our elections instead of electing people by hyper-partisan elections, then expecting them to do all the compromising after they're in the new position. My criticisms of it would obtain after a few political cycles when *all* we get are the Bidens/Clintons/Bushes and the AOCs/Yangs/Bernies have no chance. It disgusts me to think a reasonable political strategy is "play to the middle". But at this point, I think we need a little of it. How can we mitigate against it later, though? I have no idea.<br>
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Maybe there's some efficacy in slicing out types of elections (which I've already tried to do by saying "IRV and RCV", recognizing they're not quite synonymous). Maybe Congress needs IRV, whereas the Executive needs 1st past the post? Or maybe the House needs 1st-past but the Senate needs IRV and the Executive needs RCV (and the top 2 get P and VP)? I don't know. But sometimes, a little mediocrity helps us identify where our tastes really do and don't diverge.<br>
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On 5/4/20 9:00 AM, Steven A Smith wrote:<br>
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> thanks for bringing the topic up again. I know you have made (mildly?<br>
> obliquely?) disparaging comments about ranked-choice voting before. <br>
> Rather than my trying to summarize (or impute) your real intention,<br>
> maybe you could comment on how you think ranked choice voting fits into<br>
> the bigger picture?<br>
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