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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s finally come full circle.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/science/xenobots-robots-frogs-xenopus.html<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Frank Wimberly <wimberly3@gmail.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When I was on the faculty of the Robotics Institute at CMU our leader (fearless?),Raj Reddy, said that robots are artifacts that sense, think, and act. Robots are just computers with sensors, including cameras, and actuators. The "thinking"
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<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="color:black">Raibert, Marc H. and Francis C. Wimberly.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black"> Tabular Control of Balance in a Dynamic Legged System.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="color:black"> IEEE Transactions on Systems, Man and Cybernetics 14, 1984.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"><span style="color:black">Frank<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:31 AM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think you have just identified the problem with dualism.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steven A Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Maybe I missed something that makes this redundant but if a highschool student asked me what the
<i>hard problem</i> is I would say: There appears to be no limit to how competent computers can be. They seem to be able to do just about anything that people think requires thought. But I am persuaded that they can't think. What makes the difference between
thinking people and hypercompetent computers? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nick would say if it behaves as if it thinks then it thinks. I think.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I think I think, therefore I think I am? A real-world exercise in terminating tail recursion? Waddya think?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not? Why do I feel like<br>
I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"? I guess that would make me more of<br>
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> On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<br>
>> Choosing one's rifle is so concrete. It makes me want to run out and blow away a few cacti. Oh, it's a metaphor!<br>
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