<div dir="auto">Thanks, Steve. I saw that and enjoyed it very much.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 5, 2020, 8:08 AM Steven A Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Frank-</p>
<p>Given your anecdote, I strongly recommend watching the Spike
Jonze's movie HER which has all the earmarks of a dystopian
near-future but not to be a spoiler, it actually resolves very
sweetly. I believe the voice of "Her" is Scarlett Johannson.
Alan Watts makes an interesting Cameo.</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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<div dir="auto">My grandson uses his Echo Dot extensively. A soft
female voice answers his questions about spelling, arithmetic,
geography, etc. The other day he asked, understandably, "Alexa,
will you marry me?" She said, "I've decided to wait until Mars
is colonized before making that commitment." Good thinking.<br>
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Frank C. Wimberly<br>
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
<br>
505 670-9918<br>
Santa Fe, NM</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 5, 2020, 5:39 AM
Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">Came across this yesterday
afternoon:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial"><i>"Psychology is not a
science because it is too difficult. The scientific mind
is usually orderly, with a natural love for order. It
resents and tends to ignore fields in which order is not
readily apparent. It gravitates to fields in which order
is easily found such as the physical sciences, and
leaves more complex fields to those who play by ear, as
it were. Thus we have a rigourous science of
thermodynamics but are not like to have a science of
psychodynamics for many years to come."</i><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial"><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">From a Robert A. Heinlein
book, <i>Sixth Column</i>, I read when I was an
impressionable child. Not that he is correct, but I see
where my antipathy to some science comes from. <br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">davew<br>
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<div>On Tue, May 5, 2020, at 5:27 AM, Prof David West wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">Allow Nick to say "a
computer behaves as if it is thinking, therefore it is
thinking."<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial"><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">How does a computer behave?
Or, what is a computer's behavior? I am looking at my
computer - actually four of them (iPhone, tablet,
laptop, and desktop) and the only behavior I see any of
them exhibiting is precisely identical to the behavior
of the glass paperweight that also occupies space on my
desk.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial"><br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">What is this thinking
behavior y'all are ascribing to the computer? Am I the
only one that cannot see it?<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">davew<br>
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<div>On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 9:34 PM, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Yup.
That’s what he would say. What <b><i>persuades</i></b>
you that a super competent computer can’t think?
Can a dog think? How would a Martian convince you
that it (he, she) can think? <br>
</p>
<p> <br>
</p>
<p>Nick<br>
</p>
<p> <br>
</p>
<p>Nicholas
Thompson<br>
</p>
<p>Emeritus
Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br>
</p>
<p>Clark
University<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 4, 2020 9:08 PM<br>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians
for Glen, Steve<br>
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<p>Maybe
I missed something that makes this redundant but
if a highschool student asked me what the <i>hard
problem</i> is I would say: There appears to be
no limit to how competent computers can be. They
seem to be able to do just about anything that
people think requires thought. But I am persuaded
that they can't think. What makes the difference
between thinking people and hypercompetent
computers? <br>
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<p>Nick
would say if it behaves as if it thinks then it
thinks. I think.<br>
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<p>Frank<br>
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<p>On
Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I thought this was a support group for
recovering (or just<br>
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<div>self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's
not? Why do I feel like<br>
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<div>I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"? I guess
that would make me more of<br>
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<div>an allegorist?<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>> Is it? You people can't help yourselves.
It's compulsive. You might want to get some help
for that.<br>
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<div>> On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly
wrote:<br>
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<div>>> Choosing one's rifle is so
concrete. It makes me want to run out and blow
away a few cacti. Oh, it's a metaphor!<br>
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