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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/5/20 9:47 AM, Frank Wimberly
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<div dir="ltr">You've never seen an EEG?</div>
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<p>Or probed around (carefully) with an oscilliscope/logic-analyzer
probe in your phone while it is operating? <br>
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<p> (no wonder my phones keep fritzing!)</p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:45 AM
<<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Dave, </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So the same may be said of brains,
right? Brain’s don’t behave. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Where are you going with this? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">N</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and
Psychology</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Clark University</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Prof David West<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for
Glen, Steve</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Allow Nick to
say "a computer behaves as if it is thinking,
therefore it is thinking."</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">How does a
computer behave? Or, what is a computer's behavior?
I am looking at my computer - actually four of them
(iPhone, tablet, laptop, and desktop) and the only
behavior I see any of them exhibiting is precisely
identical to the behavior of the glass paperweight
that also occupies space on my desk.</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">What is this
thinking behavior y'all are ascribing to the
computer? Am I the only one that cannot see it?</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">davew</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 9:34 PM, <a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>
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<p class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1">Yup.
That’s what he would say. What <b><i>persuades</i></b>
you that a super competent computer can’t think?
Can a dog think? How would a Martian convince you
that it (he, she) can think? </p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1">Nick</p>
<p class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1"> </p>
<p class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1">Nicholas
Thompson</p>
<p class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1">Emeritus
Professor of Ethology and Psychology</p>
<p class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1">Clark
University</p>
<p class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1"><a
href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1"><a
href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 4,
2020 9:08 PM</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning
Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM]
Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve</p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1">Maybe
I missed something that makes this redundant but
if a highschool student asked me what the <i>hard
problem</i> is I would say: There appears to be
no limit to how competent computers can be. They
seem to be able to do just about anything that
people think requires thought. But I am persuaded
that they can't think. What makes the difference
between thinking people and hypercompetent
computers? </p>
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<p
class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1">Nick
would say if it behaves as if it thinks then it
thinks. I think.</p>
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<p
class="gmail-m_-6366471096334467979qt-msonormal1">Frank</p>
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Mon, May 4, 2020 at 7:50 PM Steven A Smith <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I thought this was a
support group for recovering (or just</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">self-indulgent)
metaphorists... you mean it's not? Why do I
feel like</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm in a scene from "Fight
Club"? I guess that would make me more of</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">an allegorist?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> Is it? You people
can't help yourselves. It's compulsive. You
might want to get some help for that.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> On 5/4/20 10:47 AM,
Frank Wimberly wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> Choosing one's
rifle is so concrete. It makes me want to run
out and blow away a few cacti. Oh, it's a
metaphor!</p>
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