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The folks at SFI did a paper a couple of years ago about how
snippets of constitutions have propagated into other constitutions
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<p>And one wonders what is "beyond psyops" where "deep staters"
(illuminati?) so deep they transcend states go about like
retroviruses, inserting sequences into the genome (law/policy?)
apparatus of nations? Wait, I think this very likely
multinational corporations and industry-lobbies (fossil fuels,
guns/arms, ??? ) and the wealthy families/individuals
behind/entwined-with them are doing! <br>
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<p>"I love/hate it when a metaphor comes together!" (visualize
George Peppard muttering this around a fat stogie)</p>
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<div class="">On May 7, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Steven A Smith
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I doubt I can do justice to this for you, but will give
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<li class="">develop a "commons" of re-useable
resources to be shared by all. This concept really
took off with the introduction of Linus Thorvald's
Adaptation of BSD Unix to run on IBM PCs and an
explosion of software built on top of and around
that one thing. This movement began a lot earlier
and the world of Berkeley Software Distribution
(BSD) variant of ATT Unix was perhaps the strongest
center for that... other efforts I was aware of
include things like the Andrew File System (AFS) out
of CMU (nod to Frank) and project Athena out of MIT.</li>
<li class="">crowdsource the troubleshooting,
debugging, and validation of system's design. By
making the source code available and free to use
(with some restrictions), large numbers of
system/software designers become motivated to look
at, adopt, improve, build-upon that code-base and
thereby improve and vet the code well. There are
notable exceptions indicating that big holes/bugs
can exist in spite of this scrutiny. I think there
was a hoopla a few years ago around some (obvious?)
security holes in the primary open-source router
software used in most pro-sumer grade network
routers, and maybe even commercial-class ones. <span
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<p class="">This GitHub thing Roger posted is (as Roger
indicated in his subject/post) is clearly trolling on
behalf of the anti-lockdown movement... trying to use
the open-source community mechanism (open and free
view of the software and the process of it's
development, and the ability for anyone to pitch in,
comment, criticize) against the ideas behind this
particular model (and ANY? similar model).</p>
<p class="">I'm not sure this is a first, but from what
I know, there haven't been "political" trolls
haranguing GitHub mediated open-source efforts...
there have probably been "religious" wars between
differing schools of thought on the best way to solve
a particular problem, but the preferred way to handle
that is to FORK the project and let the alternative
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<p class="">To some extent, this is the way the world is
responding to the pandemic at a policy level. Each
country roughly has it's own unique/idiosyncratic
response to the pandemic... some perhaps taking their
lead from others. Within the USA (and I presume
other "federated" governments) we have
states/governors following the general guidelines
(lame as they may be) of the federal government and
modifying/elaborating them to match their regional
context, and again each
county/city/borough/neighborhood may well do the
same. In principle these policies are open and
transparent as are the data that are gathered at each
level on the resources expended and the results
obtained. This is the Open-Data aspect that Tom
Johnson and others here promote.</p>
<p class="">The US Constitution (and our entire body of
law) might be considered open-source and I suspect
more than a few states and younger countries have
borrowed parts of our constitution and legal system to
build their own from (for better and worse)... just as
our Foundling Fatheds apparently used some of the
features exhibited by the (orally maintained) Iroquois
Federation and the ideas of French political thinkers
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
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for taking my question seriously. I understood what
I was talking about even less than I usually do.<span
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Let’s
say I was an evil genius and wanted to introduce
evil code into a project on github. What would
happen?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Thompson<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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Professor of Ethology and Psychology<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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University<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
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style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p
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class=""><b class="">From:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam<span
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class="">On Behalf Of<span
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Daniels<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
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May 7, 2020 11:05 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
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Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group<span
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
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[FRIAM] Meanwhile, back on the troll farms<o:p
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class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>What
exactly IS the policing mechanism in open source.
Darwinian? Reputational? Does this HAVE to provoke
a crisis of confidence in the general public? Or
could it be seen as a heroic thrown-together first
step that is now being improved? ><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">They are
whining about simple or absent unit tests as a
litmus test for whether the code is reliable. It’s
like saying you don’t dare drive your car if you
didn’t take out its alternator and test its voltage
output last week. ‘cause someone might have
changed the alternator! Eventually there will be
consequences if the alternator fails, like stalling
or the battery dying. Same thing in a big
simulation. All of the parts and pieces of a
simulation are there for a reason and global things
will start to change in noticeable ways if something
is broken. I would say getting mechanisms working
correctly is less difficult that choosing what
mechanisms are appropriate in the first place.
Usually in use of a simulation one has
instrumentation available on almost everything, and
there is a constant checking and double- checking
even if those checks are not embodied in automated
tests. Automated tests can even give a false sense
of security, because they may not deal with the
parameter ranges that happen in with the coupled
system. If you would rather have a bunch of unit
tests, or to have modelers using and stressing the
code every day, you have the wrong priorities.<o:p
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
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irritation is with the notion of unit tests as a
prerequisite for code reliability. There are
tighter ways to integrate assertions of code
behavior with the code. The bandwagon obsession
with unit tests is in some sense an obstacle even
better practices. I wouldn’t even call them
trolls, because a troll has intention to rile people
up. These folks are more like pompous ditto heads
who feel the need to posture about the right way to
do software engineering. People that love unit
tests love not understanding the problem they are
solving, and prefer to work in pieces. This take a
is a little harsh, but in this context (advising
COVID-19 policy) I don’t find the behavior very
helpful.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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