<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’m reminded of a saying from Groucho Marx: <div class=""><br class="">"I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That advice has saved me a boodle on membership dues. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">. . . Bob<br class=""></div><br class=""></div><div class="">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; line-height: normal; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;"><div class=""><br class=""></div></span></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 14, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" class="">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I get the feeling there’s a pitch coming about buying into a timeshare.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> on behalf of Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm" class="">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>><br class=""><b class="">Reply-To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 5:40 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [FRIAM] Gentleman's Club<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Should FRIAM aspire to "club" or to "salon?" I would hope the latter.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">davew<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, May 14, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote id="qt" style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">You are eminently clubbable wrt Friam, Jon.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">---<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Frank C. Wimberly<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">140 Calle Ojo Feliz,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Santa Fe, NM 87505<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">505 670-9918<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Santa Fe, NM<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Thu, May 14, 2020, 6:22 PM Jon Zingale <<a href="mailto:jonzingale@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jonzingale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="font"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;" class="">Glen astutely begins:</span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="size"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">"We talk a lot about<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">filosofy</span><span class="size"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">, culture, and politics on this list. And we quote a lot of old white guys. Sporadically one of us will lament..."</span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="size"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;" class="">From a wonderfully humorous wikipedia article on </span></span><span class="font"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">The Gentleman's Club</span></a></span></span><span class="size"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;" class="">:</span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="size"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;" class="">"</span></span><span class="size"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(32, 33, 34);" class="">An increasing number of clubs were characterised by their members' interest in politics, literature, sport, art, automobiles, travel, particular countries, or some other pursuit. In other cases, the connection between the members was membership of the same branch of the armed forces, or the same school or university. Thus the growth of clubs provides an indicator as to what was considered a respectable part of the "Establishment" at the time.</span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(32, 33, 34);" class="">By the late 19th century, any man with a credible claim to the status of "gentleman" was eventually able to find a club willing to admit him, unless his character was objectionable in some way or he was "unclubbable" (a word first used by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Johnson" target="_blank" title="Samuel Johnson" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128);" class="">Samuel Johnson</span></a>).</span><sup id="qt-m_4946763654084528344m_-6052124750471604781gmail-cite_ref-2" class=""><span style="font-size: 8.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(32, 33, 34);" class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club#cite_note-2" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(11, 0, 128);" class="">[2]</span></a></span></sup><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(32, 33, 34);" class=""> This newly-expanded category of English society came to include professionals who had to earn their income, such as doctors and lawyers.</span><span class="size"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">"</span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(32, 33, 34);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 6pt; margin-left: 0in;" class=""><span class="size"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">Is it possible we are a gentleman's club? 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