<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">Should FRIAM aspire to "club" or to "salon?" I would hope the latter.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Thu, May 14, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="auto"><div><div>You are eminently clubbable wrt Friam, Jon.<br></div><div><br></div><div><div>---<br></div><div>Frank C. Wimberly<br></div><div>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br></div><div>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br></div><div><br></div><div>505 670-9918<br></div><div>Santa Fe, NM<br></div></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Thu, May 14, 2020, 6:22 PM Jon Zingale <<a href="mailto:jonzingale@gmail.com">jonzingale@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="qt-gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="size" style="font-size:13.44px;"><span class="font" style="font-family:garamond, times new roman, serif;">Glen astutely begins:</span></span></span><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond, serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span class="size" style="font-size:13.44px;">"We talk a lot about </span></span></span>filosofy<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span class="size" style="font-size:13.44px;">, culture, and politics on this list. And we quote a lot of old white guys. Sporadically one of us will lament..."</span></span></span><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond, serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span class="size" style="font-size:13.44px;"></span></span></span><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="font" style="font-family:garamond, times new roman, serif;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="size" style="font-size:13.44px;">From a wonderfully humorous wikipedia article on </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club" style="font-size:13.44px;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">The Gentleman's Club</a><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span class="size" style="font-size:13.44px;">:</span></span></span><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_default"><span class="font" style="font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span style=""><span class="size" style="font-size:13.44px;">"</span></span></span></span><span style="color:rgb(32, 33, 34);"><span class="font" style="font-family:sans-serif;"><span class="size" style="font-size:14px;">An increasing number of clubs were characterised by their members' interest in politics, literature, sport, art, automobiles, travel, particular countries, or some other pursuit. In other cases, the connection between the members was membership of the same branch of the armed forces, or the same school or university. Thus the growth of clubs provides an indicator as to what was considered a respectable part of the "Establishment" at the time.</span></span></span><br></div><p style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(32, 33, 34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;">By the late 19th century, any man with a credible claim to the status of "gentleman" was eventually able to find a club willing to admit him, unless his character was objectionable in some way or he was "unclubbable" (a word first used by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Johnson" title="Samuel Johnson" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11, 0, 128);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-attachment:scroll;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Samuel Johnson</a>).<sup id="qt-m_4946763654084528344m_-6052124750471604781gmail-cite_ref-2" style="line-height:1;white-space:nowrap;font-size:11.2px;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen%27s_club#cite_note-2" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:rgb(11, 0, 128);background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%;background-repeat:repeat;background-attachment:scroll;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">[2]</a></sup> This newly-expanded category of English society came to include professionals who had to earn their income, such as doctors and lawyers.<span class="qt-gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="font" style="font-family:garamond, serif;"><span class="size" style="font-size:small;">"</span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin-top:0.5em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0.5em;margin-left:0px;color:rgb(32, 33, 34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span class="qt-gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="font" style="font-family:garamond, serif;"><span class="size" style="font-size:small;">Is it possible we are a gentleman's club? If so, I suspect I am <i>unclubbable</i>.</span></span></span><br></p></div><div>.-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .... . ...<br></div><div> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br></div><div> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br></div><div> unsubscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br></div><div> archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><br></div><div> FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a> <br></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div>.-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .... . ...<br></div><div>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br></div><div>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br></div><div>unsubscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br></div><div>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</a><br></div><div>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a> <br></div><div><br></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div></body></html>