<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:Arial;">Sorry your daughter had that experience. I would bet large sums that it was not the MDMA that caused the harm. It was either overheating of the brain (MDMA does raise body temperature and if physical activity, like dancing, is involved it can cause blood/body temps above 101 degrees. Or, it was a "cutting agent" as both Molly and Ecstasy in pill form are very unlikely to be pure.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">If you know, did the hospital treatment include cold compresses and drinking water? If yes, they probably determined that her symptoms were simply overheating.<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">happy she is OK and boyfriend is out of her and your lives<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Sun, May 24, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div dir="auto"><div>Dave, I was expecting you to ask, "Have you ever tried it, Frank?" I would have said that I hadn't but that my daughter had. Unintentionally. She and her "boyfriend", Stevie Ray (eye roll), went to a party where Mollies were being used. Somebody spiked her drink with something. On the way home she started having convulsions so Stevie called 911. An ambulance showed up and so did the police. Daughter went to the hospital and was released feeling well. Stevie was taken to jail on an outstanding warrant. She's doing fine years later. <br></div><div><br></div><div><div>---<br></div><div>Frank C. Wimberly<br></div><div>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br></div><div>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br></div><div><br></div><div>505 670-9918<br></div><div>Santa Fe, NM<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="qt-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="qt-gmail_attr">On Sun, May 24, 2020, 5:55 PM Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="qt-gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;"><div><u></u><br></div><div><div style="font-family:Arial;">Nick, I will echo Frank's admonition, "do not take Ecstacy." But ... if you do, take it with LSD — called "candy tripping" — synergistic effects, plus pretty much guarantees that you will not have a "bad trip."<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;">davew<br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial;"><br></div><div>On Sun, May 24, 2020, at 10:44 AM, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt"><div><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">David,<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">This is how I know you are trolling me:<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-quotation"><span style="color:red;background-color:yellow;background-repeat:repeat;background-image:none;background-size:auto;background-origin:padding-box;background-clip:border-box;">Proof positive</span><span style="color:red;"> </span>that MDMA prevents COVID from getting past your nasal / mouth tissue where it causes minimal harm.<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-quotation"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">Quite apart from whether MDMA prevents COVID pneumonia, this is a wonderful example of intelligent people taking science into their own hands, a phenomenon that we discussed briefly during zFRIAM on zFRIDAY. All of us do that! Why? Or more interestingly: When? <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">Nick<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">Nicholas Thompson<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">Clark University<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"><br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"><br></p><div>-----Original Message-----<br></div><div>From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> On Behalf Of Prof David West<br></div><div>Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 6:45 AM<br></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a><br></div><div>Subject: [FRIAM] proven COVID treatment<br></div><p><br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">Some friends I made in Amsterdam live in a commune — 30-32 of them. They had to go into quarantine six weeks ago with two members of the group testing positive for COVID. So they were pretty confident that they would all get the disease while in quarantine.<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">Reading that the virus does best in cool moist environments they decided to take daily doses of MDMA — which raises body temperature and dehydrates.<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">When the left quarantine last week, all of them tested positive for the antibodies but none of them had suffered symptoms beyond mild sniffles.<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">Proof positive that MDMA prevents COVID from getting past your nasal / mouth tissue where is causes minimal harm.<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">Right?<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">davew<br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText"> <br></p><p class="qt-m_-5045778725870752892qt-MsoPlainText">-- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - 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