<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">1,646,495 as of this morning, according to <a href="https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html">https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html</a></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 8:25 AM Jochen Fromm <<a href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net">jofr@cas-group.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">If the virus helps to convince Trump supporters to see how evil individual no. 1 is, there might be something good about it. Every death is still one too many. It is hard to understand how a president can go golfing while nearly 100,000 people in his country have died in a pandemic.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-J.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:rgb(0,0,0)" dir="auto"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Russ Abbott <<a href="mailto:russ.abbott@gmail.com" target="_blank">russ.abbott@gmail.com</a>> </div><div>Date: 5/25/20 09:04 (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>> </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Dale and Marcus put it all very sanely. I was talking specifically about my emotional reaction. </div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It's not that I take delight in anyone's suffering or that I want us to spend our resources protecting reasonable people (which, of course, I do). I don't even want an invective to hurl.</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It's that I <i>find myself hoping</i> that the generic Trump fanboy comes down with COVID --- especially after being aggressively reckless as a political act. It's similar to what Nick said (told you so; serves you right) but, now that I think about it, a bit more on the abstract level. I don't want real people to suffer, but in the service of moving the political needle, I'd be happy to see the generic Trump supporter having problems. </div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I would feel terrible if somehow as a result of my wishes, lots of red-state people ended up on ventilators. I want the red states themselves on ventilators, not the flesh-and-blood individuals in those states.</div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font><u style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.5px;line-height:20px"><br></u></font></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:42 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick, for me, that’s not it either. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope that reasonable people won’t waste time protecting unreasonable people from themselves, and will focus on protecting other reasonable people, and the innocent. Specifically, to your interpretation, I will not value their regret
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<p class="MsoNormal">The stakes are high, with COVID-19, climate change, and many other things.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 9:05 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What’s the German word for, I told you so, suckah! I agree that it’s not quite schadenfreude, but it’s pretty darned close.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Oh, it appears to be “Ich habe es dir gesagt, Trottel”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That comes off the tongue pretty good, too. If invective is what one is after, it’s hard to beat german.
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<p class="MsoNormal">NIck<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems to me that this is a misapplication of the term <b><i>schadenfreude</i></b>. Assume Russ feels that same way I do, I would clarify that I do not "take delight in the suffering of another". Rather that I hope that a population that
is making horrible choices will directly experience the consequences of those choices, and thus perhaps reconsider them. Unfortunately, there will also be a lot of collateral damage, but "natural selection" has always been a blunt instrument...<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Doesn’t that just roll off the tongue?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:21 PM<br>
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