<div dir="auto">In defense of golfing: after working very hard on something one often needs a break. Golf can provide that. And if anyone works hard it's Trump. Think of all the time and energy he puts into shining a spotlight on himself and defending his image. Very hard work.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In the New Yorker, Borowitz, who writes little satire pieces, has one in which he has Faucci prescribing golf for Trump. He says that the more time Trump spends playing golf, the better off the country is.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 25, 2020, 7:24 AM Jochen Fromm <<a href="mailto:jofr@cas-group.net">jofr@cas-group.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">If the virus helps to convince Trump supporters to see how evil individual no. 1 is, there might be something good about it. Every death is still one too many. It is hard to understand how a president can go golfing while nearly 100,000 people in his country have died in a pandemic.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-J.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000" dir="auto"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Russ Abbott <<a href="mailto:russ.abbott@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">russ.abbott@gmail.com</a>> </div><div>Date: 5/25/20 09:04 (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a>> </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">Dale and Marcus put it all very sanely. I was talking specifically about my emotional reaction. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">It's not that I take delight in anyone's suffering or that I want us to spend our resources protecting reasonable people (which, of course, I do). I don't even want an invective to hurl.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">It's that I <i>find myself hoping</i> that the generic Trump fanboy comes down with COVID --- especially after being aggressively reckless as a political act. It's similar to what Nick said (told you so; serves you right) but, now that I think about it, a bit more on the abstract level. I don't want real people to suffer, but in the service of moving the political needle, I'd be happy to see the generic Trump supporter having problems. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000">I would feel terrible if somehow as a result of my wishes, lots of red-state people ended up on ventilators. I want the red states themselves on ventilators, not the flesh-and-blood individuals in those states.</div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font><u style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16.5px;line-height:20px"><br></u></font></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:42 PM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope that reasonable people won’t waste time protecting unreasonable people from themselves, and will focus on protecting other reasonable people, and the innocent. Specifically, to your interpretation, I will not value their regret
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<p class="MsoNormal">The stakes are high, with COVID-19, climate change, and many other things.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 9:05 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dale,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What’s the German word for, I told you so, suckah! I agree that it’s not quite schadenfreude, but it’s pretty darned close.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Oh, it appears to be “Ich habe es dir gesagt, Trottel”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That comes off the tongue pretty good, too. If invective is what one is after, it’s hard to beat german.
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<p class="MsoNormal">NIck<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems to me that this is a misapplication of the term <b><i>schadenfreude</i></b>. Assume Russ feels that same way I do, I would clarify that I do not "take delight in the suffering of another". Rather that I hope that a population that
is making horrible choices will directly experience the consequences of those choices, and thus perhaps reconsider them. Unfortunately, there will also be a lot of collateral damage, but "natural selection" has always been a blunt instrument...<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Doesn’t that just roll off the tongue?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Russ Abbott<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:21 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] The Second Wave is Gathering<u></u><u></u></p>
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