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<p>Interesting that while I have not read the Castilian original nor
more than snippets of more contemporary Spanish translations, the
English translation I read (in HS?) felt like it might have
imposed/projected-onto this work a very Anglophonic
sensibility/style in it's translation. I experienced a
(translated) student production of DQ in college which gave me a
stronger experience than the translated reading, but 40 years
later, my young (30something) Spanish (Basque) colleague from
Wales speaks of the DQ tale as if Sancho Panza is the true
hero/protaganist, which was what I suspected in my own first
reading. It read as a modern "buddy flick" rolls in many ways
and recent revisits to the tale reminded me of the
'Quixotification" of Panza and the "Panzafication" of Quixote as
one of the outcomes... a blending of the earthy and practical with
the educated and idealistic. Also likely a reflection of the
life and times of it's penning while still seeming to have plenty
of relevance today.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Read it in the original Spanish, Castilian as it
is. Would you read Shakespeare in modern vernacular English?
Spanish has changed less than English. When I don't understand
something in the King James version of the Bible I read the
Spanish Bible to clarify. It's stuff like "Dijoselo" (old)
instead of "Se lo dijo (modern)."
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<div>My favorite English translation is by Samuel Putnam Modern
Library). It has some of the archaic feel of the original.
"Knight of the Mournful Countenance" for "Caballero de la
Triste Figura"</div>
<div>for instance.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">For those who have read Don Quixote, I would be
interested to know what what would be your favorite English
translation as well as your favorite modern Spanish version
(as I understand it, a lot of the story was written in "Old
Castilian").</div>
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12:28 PM Frank Wimberly <<a
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<div dir="auto">My favorite quote from Don Quixote is
probably the most famous:
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<div dir="auto">Whether the stone hits the vase or the
vase hits the stone it's bad for the vase.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I have multiple copies in Spanish and
English but I've only read parts.<br>
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Frank C. Wimberly<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 27, 2020,
11:19 AM Jochen Fromm <<a
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<div dir="auto">I am not sure he wrote this :-/ My
favorite Cervantes quote from Don Quixote is
"There is no book so bad that it does not have
something good in it". I remember reading it in
Greece during a summer vacation. Don Quixote has
everything, it is funny, wise and one of the first
novels ever. When we discussed a list of best
books here on FRIAM, someone immediately mentioned
it (don't remember who).</div>
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<div>Date: 5/27/20 17:47 (GMT+01:00) </div>
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likely not relevant, I wanted to share my
favorite Cervantes quote:</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><i>"A
wise man should ever be cautious when writing
books to let his humor<br>
and his wits run leaden-footed. For if he
writes for silly maidens, then he<br>
writes for nincompoops and ninnies."</i><br>
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