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<p>Nick -</p>
<p>I think Cody's question is a good example of what *I* have tended
to think of as a "Strawman" (other thread) but now will try to
call maybe a stickman or an armature . I don't think he posited
it as a literal "I can't see why we just don't go do this
tomorrow, it is a watertight idea that needs to be implemented
*this instant*" but rather a general thrust of an idea that
*invites* criticism and discussion. <br>
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<p>Marcus' point might have been a "show stopper" invalidating the
whole idea, or I would prefer to frame it as providing a good
complementary 'criticism'... a simple and direct reason for which
such an idea *might not* be relevant at all. Your own response
takes Cody's idea more seriously than mine does... you are
looking to "flesh out" when and how it *might* make sense. The
nut of your observation here seems to be that in a year (or so) we
will A) become desperate enough to risk harming our children
deliberately (think measles parties in the 50s?) and B) we will
have resolved questions as implied by Marcus (maybe the immunity
is not strong or long lasting enough to be worth the risk, or
maybe it is); and C) by then we will know how effective of a
vaccine or alternative therapies will be available.</p>
<p>Your own "white van" example I also take as a deliberately
nearly-absurd example to draw fire, to find the complement to, to
build-from-as-if-an-armature. I'm not fully sure what all you
gesture at with your white van and fortified la-bajada image, but
I take it to suggest B) la-bajada: Isolating a community (like
Gunnison CO did in 1918) and A) relaxing civil rights
laws/regulations/expectations/standards to the point that anyone
implied to be infected can be snatched by a biohazard-suited
swat-team in a white van and tested and either released (with a
thin or fat apology and maybe even reparations) or incarcerated in
a gilded cage with lots of luxuries and top medical care until the
infected becomes recovered and then released to "go forth and
prosper"</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting, Cody. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think if a vaccine weren’t within a year
or so, such a policy might be entertained, unlike my
suggestion of white vans plus shooting everybody who tries to
come up la bajada. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Who would staff it? The staff would have
to be isolated in the camp, too. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Medical Staff would have to be really
good. A really good hospital would have to be quickly
available. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Parents would have to sign releases. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Other than that, I can’t see why that
doesn’t work. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and
Psychology<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 28, 2020 8:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had what I think is a great idea for
herd immunity. What if the government were to open
overnight summer camps, and even pay for every kid to
spend 1 month canoeing, camping, and most importantly
catching covid. This way they could gain a herd immunity
so that school could safely open in September.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 27, 2020, 2:05 PM Steve
Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nothing in my search will be
ready for the September deadline. Where did this
deadline come from?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I think September is a placeholder for: <o:p></o:p></p>
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level1 lfo1">Acutely (equinox) shortening days of
sunlight (UV on outdoor surfaces and time spent
out/indoors/close quarters)<o:p></o:p></li>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">Cooler weather (not sure that is anything
but a proxy for 2?).<o:p></o:p></li>
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