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<p>My daughter chose (with my strong advice) to get her undergrad
from UCSC instead of UCB (accepted but the academic scholarships
she was offered would have left her with a $50K debt after 4
years). She was shooting for an MD at that point, and entering
Med School with that kind of debt seemed ridiculous... she ended
up doing a PhD at UNM (Molecular Bio) with a fully funded GRA
position instead of UCB (where she would have incurred similar
debts in SPITE of a GRA offer there also). She went into the
workforce with $0 student debt very intentionally. <br>
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<p>She feels as well prepared as any of her peers (and more
dedicated than many) in her field (virology, flavi-virus
specialty), yet feels mildly excluded from some circles of IVY or
neoIVY or ??? similarly elite school alumni. There is a
good-ole-boys-and-girls club in her world (or her apprehension of
her world) which has her being treated as "less than". <br>
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<p>Maybe this isn't real, or it is latent. But she lives it
viscerally, especially during funding cycles.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/29/20 4:37 PM, Frank Wimberly
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<div dir="auto">The mean household assets of the 1% exceeds $10
million. My wife and her brother both graduated from
Harvard. Their parents paid for their expenses
out-of-pocket. My in-laws were nowhere near the 1%. My FIL
was an attorney and a member of Governor Kerner's Human Rights
Commission. My wife's mother was a freelance writer who had
published a couple of books and many articles in popular
magazines. Both my wife and my brother-in-law received
excellent educations. Yes, Nick, they were well-educated
before they got to Harvard.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 29, 2020, 9:08
AM Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>>
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Galloway (professor at Stern School of business and
supposed authority) on universities post COVID.<br>
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Fifty percent of the investment in prestige university
education is for 'certification' — degree that signals your
lifetime earnings. The Harvard brand is strong enough that
students will accept an inferior educational experience. The
fifty biggest university brands, Harvard, Stanford, etc,
will partner with tech giants like Apple or Facebook to
create a hybrid university, most others will hollow out and
die like the large department store chains. Dorm life and
in-person experience will be reserved for children of the
1%.<br>
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Pretty bleak and a commentary on previous FRIAM
conversations about education and elite universities.<br>
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