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<p>On one of my first trips to the Bay Area I remember driving up
telegraph? into Berzerkley and saw a "Bank of America" sign that
had been very artfully re-designed to say "Bank of Apartheid"</p>
<p>I've a good friend in Berk who said tonight that he was expecting
the grey haired hippies and beats to "March on Peets" at
sunrise. He's still mostly pepper with a little salt, and
post-boomer himself.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Piedmont, for example, has a higher per
capita income than Beverly Hills.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On the other hand if one wants to drag a
newspaper dispenser into the street and use it as a shield
from rubber bullets, that’s an option too. Oakland has got
it all!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I mentioned this hackery. Fun.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.berkeleyside.com/2019/09/09/whos-been-hacking-digital-traffic-signs-in-berkeley">https://www.berkeleyside.com/2019/09/09/whos-been-hacking-digital-traffic-signs-in-berkeley</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I saw someone on MSNBC tonight dreading the
“global anarchists”. Seriously?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> on behalf of Steve Smith
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"><sasmyth@swcp.com></a><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
Coffee Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 29, 2020 at 10:03 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">"friam@redfish.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON
FROM]: privacy games<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think I just saw Marcus blocking 880 in
Oakland!<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick, for the record, and this will not
change from my end: <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your right to be interested in whatever
you are interested in is sacrosanct, here or in any other
forum. I don’t think there are thread boundaries on that,
though there are all the normal courtesies which I see
more clearly for a while after I transgress one.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eric<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On May 30, 2020, at 1:03 PM, <<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>>
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All –<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I feel norm formation going on
here, and it is making me a bit nervous. I am not
sure what follows from that, but there it is. I
thing that we at FriAM have long worked the
boundary between work and play. I think that’s
where the best work is done. <span
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<p class="MsoNormal">But this is my thread, right?
Can a man bust his own thread? <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i><u>I
d o n t t h I n k s o</u></i></b>. I want
to talk about metaphor. And it’s relation to
models. And it’ relation to the concept of
intentionality. The question is, To what extent
do our norms allow me to bring those concerns to
other threads. And the answer I am hearing from
many of you is, “Less than I have been”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, I will do my best. But,
for instance, I think the “work” we did on
“strawman” was tremendously important. In my
introductory graduate lectures at Berkeley, where,
one by one, the the grey-backed gorillas of the
department laid down the law. Somebody, I think
David Krech, announced that if “I say that the
number of rat turds left by a rat in an open field
maze is “anxiety”, then that is what anxiety IS
for the purposes of my research, and there’s no
more discussion to be had.” And even in the
tenuous position of a first year graduate student
I knew that was wrong. Meanings have momentum.
Words have meaning that is independent of their
users. I have fought for 50 years to rescue
‘teleonomy’ (=natural design) from the dualistic
thieves that abducted it. And SteveG and I could
be thought of as battling for nigh a decade and
half about which specification of the metaphor of
natural selection is best for the purposes of
understanding natural design. (I thought we made
a lot of progress on that issue today.) Much of
what we do in scientific discourse is fight over
metaphors and we need to develop methods for
fighting fairly, skillfully, and expeditiously. <span
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t think I have EVER
introduced the idea of metaphor in a conversation
where I didn’t think a clarification or
specification of the metaphors implicit in our
conversation might move the discussion forward. I
may be playing with words but I am not<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>just</i><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>playing
with words. God knows, I may have been WRONG in
many cases, but I absolutely defend the idea that
attention to the metaphors at play in a
conversation is often essential to any development
of understanding or convergence of opinion. <span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is it<span
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No. Of course not. And I will try to be more
careful about that.<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, as always, for all your
thoughts. My life would not be half of what it
is without them. Really. It’s perhaps pathetic
for me to admit that, but it’s true.<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of
Ethology and Psychology<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:#0563C1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:#0563C1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam
<<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>David
Eric Smith<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
May 29, 2020 9:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>The
Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]:
privacy games<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jon,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No, actually not any issue
with any of what you had posted, as also just
affirmation toward various historical posts by
Glen. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, sorry about a
thread-rudeness. I had sort of dropped a chunk
of something that had been accumulating for a
week in the middle of your thread which was in
the coarse of solving other problems, where it
didn’t belong. Partly this was because yours
had been the latest snapshot, partly it was
because the overall frame you and Glen and Steve
are building is one that I would like to think
of my own additions as finding a place in, and
partly I was probably using the measured tone of
this sub-thread as cover, since my own was
rather crabby and aggressive. Strange that it
seemed formally impolite to me, to use your
thread as a point of departure and not direct
the salutation to you, while I blew past the
fact that it was substantively rude to use the
thread, rather than to participate in it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Very good. Thanks for
calling me on this,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On May 30, 2020, at
9:43 AM, Jon Zingale <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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am not sure that I disagree with you
anywhere, but I am</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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whether you are taking issue with
me? The proliferation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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threads are sometimes hard for me to
follow, inevitably I mis-</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">determine
who is talking to whom. Are there
places in my writing</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">that
you would suggest I revisit and
reconsider? Pointing things</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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to another can be an expensive and
thankless task, so thank</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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