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<p class="MsoNormal">Piedmont, for example, has a higher per capita income than Beverly Hills.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On the other hand if one wants to drag a newspaper dispenser into the street and use it as a shield from rubber bullets, that’s an option too. Oakland has got it all!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I mentioned this hackery. Fun.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">https://www.berkeleyside.com/2019/09/09/whos-been-hacking-digital-traffic-signs-in-berkeley<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I saw someone on MSNBC tonight dreading the “global anarchists”. Seriously?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> on behalf of Steve Smith <sasmyth@swcp.com><br>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 29, 2020 at 10:03 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"friam@redfish.com" <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [FRIAM] Metaphor [POSSIBLE DISTRACTON FROM]: privacy games<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think I just saw Marcus blocking 880 in Oakland!<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your right to be interested in whatever you are interested in is sacrosanct, here or in any other forum. I don’t think there are thread boundaries on that, though there are all the normal courtesies which I see more clearly for a while
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<p class="MsoNormal">On May 30, 2020, at 1:03 PM, <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I feel norm formation going on here, and it is making me a bit nervous. I am not sure what follows from that, but there it is. I thing that we at FriAM have long worked the boundary between work and play. I think that’s where the best
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<p class="MsoNormal">But this is my thread, right? Can a man bust his own thread? <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i><u>I d o n t t h I n k s o</u></i></b>. I want to talk about metaphor. And it’s relation to models. And it’ relation to
the concept of intentionality. The question is, To what extent do our norms allow me to bring those concerns to other threads. And the answer I am hearing from many of you is, “Less than I have been”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, I will do my best. But, for instance, I think the “work” we did on “strawman” was tremendously important. In my introductory graduate lectures at Berkeley, where, one by one, the the grey-backed gorillas of the department laid
down the law. Somebody, I think David Krech, announced that if “I say that the number of rat turds left by a rat in an open field maze is “anxiety”, then that is what anxiety IS for the purposes of my research, and there’s no more discussion to be had.”
And even in the tenuous position of a first year graduate student I knew that was wrong. Meanings have momentum. Words have meaning that is independent of their users. I have fought for 50 years to rescue ‘teleonomy’ (=natural design) from the dualistic
thieves that abducted it. And SteveG and I could be thought of as battling for nigh a decade and half about which specification of the metaphor of natural selection is best for the purposes of understanding natural design. (I thought we made a lot of progress
on that issue today.) Much of what we do in scientific discourse is fight over metaphors and we need to develop methods for fighting fairly, skillfully, and expeditiously. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t think I have EVER introduced the idea of metaphor in a conversation where I didn’t think a clarification or specification of the metaphors implicit in our conversation might move the discussion forward. I may be playing with words
but I am not<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>just</i><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>playing with words. God knows, I may have been WRONG in many cases, but I absolutely defend the idea that attention to the metaphors at play in
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is it<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>always?</i> No. Of course not. And I will try to be more careful about that.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, as always, for all your thoughts. My life would not be half of what it is without them. Really. It’s perhaps pathetic for me to admit that, but it’s true.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>David
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<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No, actually not any issue with any of what you had posted, as also just affirmation toward various historical posts by Glen. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, sorry about a thread-rudeness. I had sort of dropped a chunk of something that had been accumulating for a week in the middle of your thread which was in the coarse of solving other problems, where it didn’t belong. Partly this was
because yours had been the latest snapshot, partly it was because the overall frame you and Glen and Steve are building is one that I would like to think of my own additions as finding a place in, and partly I was probably using the measured tone of this sub-thread
as cover, since my own was rather crabby and aggressive. Strange that it seemed formally impolite to me, to use your thread as a point of departure and not direct the salutation to you, while I blew past the fact that it was substantively rude to use the
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