<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Distributed Idea Suppression Complex (DISC). Fascinating. Have our scientific institutions turned partially into a DISC, which is the opposite of science that tries to find out the truth? </div><div dir="auto">https://youtu.be/QxnkGymKuuI</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-J.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000" dir="auto"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Jon Zingale <jonzingale@gmail.com> </div><div>Date: 5/30/20 19:49 (GMT+01:00) </div><div>To: friam@redfish.com </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Science Commits Suicide </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Dave, Nick, Jochen, et al.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">For those not already familiar with the Eric Weinstein <i>Portal</i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">podcast, there is a really great episode with <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLb5hZLw44s" target="_blank">Eric's brother Bret</a>.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Bret is an evolutionary theorist (and biologist) who became the</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">center of a fairly interesting controversy at Evergreen a couple</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">of years ago. While that story is interesting in its own right, as it</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">has to do <i style="">cancel</i><i style=""> culture</i> and the topics DeDeo and Rutt were</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">discussing at Oxford, the podcast goes on to discuss how</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">counter to its stated goals institutionalized science can be.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Eric puts the narrative in terms of a <span style="background-color:rgb(249,249,249);color:rgb(3,3,3);white-space:pre-wrap"><i>Distributed Idea Suppression</i></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style="background-color:rgb(249,249,249);color:rgb(3,3,3);white-space:pre-wrap"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i>Complex,</i> a theme he revisits with many of his podcast guests.</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Eric himself is no slouch. He is a mathematician whose focus</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">is gauge field theory and now finds applications to finance.</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Especially interesting in Bret's story is the uncoverings/speculations</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">around corruption which does/can exist in the peer-review process.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Contrast this with the tremendously naive, and much more nationally</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">syndicated, perspective of the new <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=841&v=a7wf1pQmzY8&feature=emb_logo&t=840s" target="_blank">Daily Show host, Trevor Noah</a>.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Here he is arguing that</font><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"> </span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">"<i>People shouldn't be able to put out studies</i></font></span></div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">before they've been</span> verified</i>".<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"> Before this statement and after he</span></font><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">makes </span></font><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,sans-serif">some ambiguous gestures at the necessity of peer-review in</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,sans-serif">the<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"> </span></span><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)">truth making process. </span></font><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,sans-serif">To my mind, <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">he</span> misses <span class="gmail_default">an understanding</span></span><div><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">of </span>the value<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"> </span></span><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)">of </span></font><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,sans-serif">preprints<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"> </span></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,sans-serif">and<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"> the pitfalls expressed by Eric and Bret.</span></span></div><div><div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">O<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">TOH, he is a comedian.</span></font></div></div></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Jon</span></font></div></div></div>
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