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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Steve:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Is this<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=quotation>self-negating discourse<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>A term of art in some conversation? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>The only self I can see being negated is a “meta-self”.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>N<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Clark University<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Steve Smith<br>Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:42 PM<br>To: friam@redfish.com<br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] alternative response</p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Glen said:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Exactly! If humans have free will, we can program a machine to have it <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> too (someday, anyway). And since we don't know how to *construct* free <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> will and the evidence against it is accumulating, it's reasonable to <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> claim it doesn't exist and the burden is increasingly on those who <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> believe in it to make their case.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>It feels like we are engaging in self-negating discourse when we speak in this way?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> "I assert there is no such thing as free will, and now I will prove/demonstrate that and if you are not too stubborn, you too will come to agree with me on this"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I'm not attacking Glen (or his specific phrasing above), just calling it out as an example of what runs through the whole discussion (including the one running in my own head and never making it to the list).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>- Steve<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>FRIAM-COMIC <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</span></a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>