<div dir="auto">Nick,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I apologize for not taking it seriously. I'm sorry.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Frank<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 9:32 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_7280654099549811891WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Eric and all,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for taking it seriously. Do we know anyone who could comment on the notion further. Would cotton gloves washed in vinegar be anti viral when dried? <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Nick<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:#0563c1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Eric Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 23, 2020 6:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] End most covid transmission?<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Nick and all, hi,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This will be completely un-useful and un-actionable to anybody, but the way you phrased your question is interesting anyway.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">When there was a push to develop fuel cells with polymer membranes, to get away from platinum-palladium catalysts, one of the problems was that they needed a membrane that would be proton-donating (so, functioning as an acid by the Bronsted definition). There was a heavy raft of work for perhaps a decade (maybe much longer) on polymer materials that have very acidic side-chains. I don’t know how anything like that behaves if it is out under air, rather than in a fluid environment. But if viruses are not dry, and are hosted in small droplets for a time, perhaps that distinction is less relevant.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">In any case, considering that the glove industry is probably entirely predicated on reducing unit cost, and that I have no idea what the elasticity may be of fuel cell membrane polymers, they probably will not be glove material anytime soon. I haven’t even looked at that literature for, what, maybe 15 years (?). So I have no idea what the state of development is now.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Eric. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:38 AM, <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Any materials experts out there?<span class="m_7280654099549811891apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ok, so. We know that most covid transmission is hand to face and we know that the virus is highly vulnerable to acids and some other substances. Is it not possible to design gloves (and perhaps masks) with those substances embedded? How about cloth gloves dunked in vinegar and hung out to dry before wearing? Is vinegar still acid when it’s dry? <span class="m_7280654099549811891apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yeah. I know. Dumb. But somebody explain to me why.<span class="m_7280654099549811891apple-converted-space"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">N<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,DnCQCju3LlcaIz2RXB86met0nEvzrwCqntB-fUz7K8afNZkkhGimHCv2oCdsmqaXXgXbky5yEVwjjjk2BjVaoT-QcCdDGD78wZnsurUaTcxV&typo=1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 </span><a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">bit.ly/virtualfriam</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>un/subscribe<span class="m_7280654099549811891apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,23TPC7fzfS-4FZKvlq3jlMdbvJDtpCp8r57j6ITxgFknVOJONhp_ZczbLtu4iuq6v0lQGqkkyZWyu_2vq8nP1HQw3mC49MVCdXoqHxuGdTyXVQ8Q90hhGg,,&typo=1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fredfish.com%2fmailman%2flistinfo%2ffriam_redfish.com&c=E,1,23TPC7fzfS-4FZKvlq3jlMdbvJDtpCp8r57j6ITxgFknVOJONhp_ZczbLtu4iuq6v0lQGqkkyZWyu_2vq8nP1HQw3mC49MVCdXoqHxuGdTyXVQ8Q90hhGg,,&typo=1</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>archives:<span class="m_7280654099549811891apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>FRIAM-COMIC<span class="m_7280654099549811891apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,CH64x6gerfiCWMaCmUTsuzdqw1damUwPIlEPUxAWrEGAS-lDXM5Jh11L24zw0XoQDoJx4lvkKCzBlPvdtEEuhdBLBaVAAuGaIuHbo6kUdasu4A,,&typo=1" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2ffriam-comic.blogspot.com%2f&c=E,1,CH64x6gerfiCWMaCmUTsuzdqw1damUwPIlEPUxAWrEGAS-lDXM5Jh11L24zw0XoQDoJx4lvkKCzBlPvdtEEuhdBLBaVAAuGaIuHbo6kUdasu4A,,&typo=1</span></a><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<br>
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