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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText>Hi, Russ, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I read this note during a bout of insomnia several nights back, but didn't have the firepower to answer it, then, and have been stewing on it, ever since. If anybody else is curious it relates to PP 68-9 of <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311349078_The_many_perils_of_ejective_anthropomorphism">this article</a>. I have copied in the most relevant passage, way below, but your summary is precise, so I will carry on here. You wrote, beginning with that summary, as follows: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=quotation>1) What exactly is privileged about introspection?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=quotation><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=quotation>2) That the process of ejective anthropomorphism starts from an identity between the target behaviour and the observers behaviour, which is strictly false. The example being given of a dog scratching at a door to get in.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=quotation><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=quotation>In response, I would say there is plenty of privilege in introspection. For example, proprioception is entirely privileged - that information is simply not available to external observers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=quotation><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=quotation style='margin-left:0in'><span style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'>Well, it all depends on what one takes a “privilege” to be. I stipulate that you have information about you that I do not have, just as I ask you to stipulate that I have information about you that you do not have. Can we agree on that? And I stipulate that sometimes information that you have about you has more predictive power than the information that I have about you, just as I ask you to stipulate that sometimes the information I have about you (or your dog has, since I have never met you) has more predictive power than the information that you have about you. Can we also agree upon that? I have also to stipulate that yours is a fair use of the word ‘privilege”. But it is not the use to which I am putting the word. To be privileged, a predictive power would have to be of a kind that is IN PRINCIPLE superior. To make the claim, as I do, that there is no privileged self-knowledge, I need to show that the processes by which you arrive at self-knowledge are the same sort of cognitive processes by which you seek other-knowledge. Briefly, abductive inference. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=quotation style='margin-left:0in'><span style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=quotation style='margin-left:0in'><span style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'>I agree with you that proprioception is a good domain to explore for thinking this issue through. First of all, since the vast majority of proprioception is carried out in the Medulla and Cerebellum, without any contribution from “you”, I think it’s fair to say that your knowledge of the zillions of instantaneous adjustments that you made to keep from toppling over is highly circumscribed. Furthermore, if I were a martial arts expert and were teaching you to wield a sword, I bet that I would have access to knowledge about your balance and grounding that you, yourself, would not have. If this example doesn’t convince you, let’s remember the phantom limb phenomenon in which you, the amputee, could be entirely sure that your right ankle was crossed over your left, when I, your surgeon, could plainly see that you had no right ankle with which to cross. Now, if you are like my friend, Frank Wimberley, you will protest at this point that, while what I say may be true of the position (or possession) of your right ankle, it is NOT true of the </span>feeling<span style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'> that you have an ankle that is crossed. To that, you have privileged access. But I would use the same reductive argument on that assertion, to wit, that it is either empty or false. At which point Glen will accuse me of a failure of steel-manning, which is probably fair. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=quotation style='margin-left:0in'><span style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=quotation style='margin-left:0in'><span style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'>Thanks, Russ, for reading the paper and getting its point. There is no greater kindness one colleague can grant another. I feel I ought to send YOU $5. It’s absurd to think that you should pay me for access to your mind. If we want to make money out of publishing, we should offer ourselves up to the world as readers, rather than as writers. Supply and demand, man, supply and demand!. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=quotation style='margin-left:0in'><span style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=quotation style='margin-left:0in'><span style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'>Here below is the relevant passage: For some reason, on my screen it wants to be in two columns, and start on the bottom of the left. Can’t fix it. Sorry. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=quotation style='margin-left:0in'><span style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=quotation style='margin-left:0in'><span style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'>Nick <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=quotation><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><img border=0 width=467 height=125 style='width:4.8611in;height:1.3055in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image005.png@01D652D8.A5F74E70"><img border=0 width=459 height=683 style='width:4.7847in;height:7.118in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image006.png@01D652D8.A5F74E70"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Clark University<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Russell Standish<br>Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 2:11 AM<br>To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com><br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] God<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Hi Nick - finally took a look at your paper. I didn't read it to the nth detail, but from what I understand, your scepticism about "ejective anthropmorphism" (nice term by the way) stands on two legs:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>1) What exactly is priveleged about introspection?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>2) That the process of ejective anthropomorphism starts from an identity between the target behaviour and the observers behaviour, which is structy false. The example being given of a dog scratching at a door to get in.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>In response, I would say there is plenty of privelege in introspection. For example, proprioception is entirely priveleged - that information is simply now available to external observers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>In terms of the identity of target and observer behaviour, it doesn't need to be identical, but it does need to be analogical. The most important application of this skill is prediction of what other human beings do. People aren't the same, but they are similar - and human society functions because we can predict to some extent what other people are likely to do. I believe this is why self-awareness evoved in the first place. Something similar may have evolved in dogs, which are social pack animals. We have also evolved the ability to "put ourselves in somebody else's skin", taking into account the obvious external differences. So we can imagine being a dog, and wanting to get through a door, what would we do. We know we cannot stand up, and turn the door knob, because we don't have hands, so what would we do, given we only have paws. Scratching behaviour does seem a likely behaviour then. That, then is analogical.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>So, I'm not exactly convinced :).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 04:32:05PM -0600, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Sorry Russ. It was in a hyperlink: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311349078_The_many_perils_of_">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311349078_The_many_perils_of_</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ejecti<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ve_anthropomorphism<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a> <a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> On Behalf Of Russell Standish<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 4:27 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] God<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 09:59:37PM -0600, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Hi Russ,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Hawking my wares again. I am sorry but SOMEBODY has to read this <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > crap. The argument of this paper is that the flow of inference is <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > actually in the other direction. We model our view of ourselves on our<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> experience with others.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> What paper? 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I didn't read it to the nth detail, but from what I understand, your scepticism about "ejective anthropmorphism" (nice term by the way) stands on two legs:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>1) What exactly is priveleged about introspection?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>2) That the process of ejective anthropomorphism starts from an identity between the target behaviour and the observers behaviour, which is structy false. The example being given of a dog scratching at a door to get in.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>In response, I would say there is plenty of privelege in introspection. For example, proprioception is entirely priveleged - that information is simply now available to external observers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>In terms of the identity of target and observer behaviour, it doesn't need to be identical, but it does need to be analogical. The most important application of this skill is prediction of what other human beings do. People aren't the same, but they are similar - and human society functions because we can predict to some extent what other people are likely to do. I believe this is why self-awareness evoved in the first place. Something similar may have evolved in dogs, which are social pack animals. We have also evolved the ability to "put ourselves in somebody else's skin", taking into account the obvious external differences. So we can imagine being a dog, and wanting to get through a door, what would we do. We know we cannot stand up, and turn the door knob, because we don't have hands, so what would we do, given we only have paws. Scratching behaviour does seem a likely behaviour then. That, then is analogical.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>So, I'm not exactly convinced :).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 04:32:05PM -0600, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Sorry Russ. It was in a hyperlink: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311349078_The_many_perils_of_"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311349078_The_many_perils_of_</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ejecti<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> ve_anthropomorphism<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a> <a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam-bounces@redfish.com</span></a>> On Behalf Of Russell Standish<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 4:27 PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>friam@redfish.com</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] God<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 09:59:37PM -0600, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>thompnickson2@gmail.com</span></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Hi Russ,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > Hawking my wares again. I am sorry but SOMEBODY has to read this <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > crap. The argument of this paper is that the flow of inference is <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > actually in the other direction. We model our view of ourselves on our<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> experience with others.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> > <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>> What paper? 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