<div dir="auto">In a project I was working on in the 70s we said that we were trying to identify phenotypic manifestations of a genetic predisposition to develop schizophrenia. Does that work for you?<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:27 PM uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Neither! Ha! As Colleen Green mumbles: "Once you get to know me, you won't love me anymore." <a href="https://youtu.be/ankOO77de7o" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/ankOO77de7o</a><br>
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You're both a little wrong and a little right. The gen-phen map is inspired by genotype-phenotype. But liberties are taken with what it can mean. In particular, I've worked with some clinicians who call any pattern they're looking for in their patients a "phenotype". It's a very loose use of the word, but it gets the job done for them. For *me*, I tend to mean *only* systems where the phenomen[on|a] exert[s] some kind of downward causation on the generators (mostly just setting constraints). Maybe I should start calling it the phen-gen map instead?<br>
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On 7/17/20 4:00 PM, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
> At the very end you spoke of the generator/phenomenon distinction. I bet Jon a million dollars that you did NOT mean the same thing as the genotype/phenotype distinction. So. Who's your friend, here? <br>
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