<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Cody\u2019s observation gives a nice branch to Alexander Luria\u2019s The Mind of a Mnemonist.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Patient S (I think real name Shevashensky) was a perfect-memory person (I forget autistic or not, but yes synaesthesic), whose life was not very functional but who made a living to some degree as a memory performer.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For a long time he did the things people could respond to, which were the semantically ordinary things: sentences or events etc. Those are the things people find interesting, and it took the world a while to get bored seeing someone do reliably what they could not at all.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Only relatively late in his career did the performances become more technocratic, in the sense of wondering how much one could change the objects remembered and still preserve the effect. So he would start to perform repeating long lists of randomly generated meaningless syllables. Ta dee dah do si etc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In order to do this he would invent these incredibly rich semantic narratives in the memorization phase, to wrap around each syllable. Makes me think of Peter Gacs\u2019s automaton that has lots of scaffolding to carry a small number of cells in which you can store arbitrary bits. Synaesthesia was really central to making that construction capable of carrying the long lists.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyway, he could do it, but one gets the impression reading Luria that there was this enormous cognitive engine, running at higher and higher over-clocking, to produce ever more empty, slowly delivered, strings of syllables. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I believe Daniel Tammet describes reciting digits of pi in their color, shape, and size packages, but I don\u2019t think I recall hearing him say there are narratives of the same kind Shevashensky constructed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Eric</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:53 AM, cody dooderson <<a href="mailto:d00d3rs0n@gmail.com" class="">d00d3rs0n@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">After reading Glen's reply I came up with a mnemonic, "Fart Vapor Can Distract Republicans" <div class="">Of course, now I can not remember now what the F stands for. Maybe "Fart Velvet Church Daisy Red"</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cody Smith<br class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 1:15 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" class=""><div class="gmail-m_7339896307284080002WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks. Anybody else? I need more data.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> N<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)" class="">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,ik9N3_zbccJR5xYQ-kGUvf3aJItzB9wPRxN8QIR59wit0_3W4cel_WgqYV6Mgd9tSG0Q7QVjD9_yDr0SOB3CH2CNwp6P7brIP5Kh9Bp5pDq9_fc9z-Y-OM6t&typo=1" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)" class="">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:09 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Are you asking me? Face, red, church, velvet. ???<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">---<br class="">Frank C. Wimberly<br class="">140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br class="">Santa Fe, NM 87505<br class=""><br class="">505 670-9918<br class="">Santa Fe, NM<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 12:45 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Can you do it now? <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)" class="">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwordpress.clarku.edu%2fnthompson%2f&c=E,1,0wk5SS-WL0FcSI4fYxHjTml6-Skwy4nVNO4__tbqkI0YVfyzf446CviBGA8iCX_MbOk1EsC3lcVZOJs-mYiPpCedkfARaNuQ6Y4tOUnKBg,,&typo=1" target="_blank" class=""><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)" class="">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" class="">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:42 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" class="">friam@redfish.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Can you do this? HTML required.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">I go five after making lunch. But I said it subvocally many times before starting lunch preparation. Does that count?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">---<br class="">Frank C. Wimberly<br class="">140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br class="">Santa Fe, NM 87505<br class=""><br class="">505 670-9918<br class="">Santa Fe, NM<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 11:59 AM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">So the idea is that you hear the list, then you repeat it, then you repeat it again. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Then you do something entirely else for five minute. Write an email on philosophy? Do a page of your income tax form? Make a telephone call? After a few of these distractions, Now try to remember the number. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Let me know what your experience was and then I will explain where this comes from, if you don\u2019t already know. 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