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<p>Frank -</p>
<p>Heinlein was up there with the likes of Clark and Asimov, leading
the Science Fiction community out of the Golden Age into the
Modern Age in the 50's and 60's and beyond. He also coined the
term "Speculative Fiction" to try to distinguish hard,
science-based speculation/extrapolatin in fiction from the
all-too-common loosey goosey style of the Golden Age. He also
pioneered injecting contemporary social issues into science
fiction, specifically with Stranger in a Strange Land. I'm not
surprised if you don't recognize his later works (e.g. Number of
the Beast 1980), but I'd have thunk that if you read Science
Fiction at all Heinlein would be a very familiar name. <br>
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<p>I have not read "La Biblioteca de Babel" in Spanish, but I have
read the translation... given the theme, I'm curious how many
languages it has been translated into. Give it a whirl if you
might?</p>
<p>It would appear that someone has built a "virtual" Biblioteca de
Babel online... I have not explored it in any way. I suppose
there are analyses somewhere of the signal/noise ratio which must
be diminishingly low, as it would seem most/many of the universii
to be explored by Heinlein's protaganists. With the Looking
Glass/Rabbit Hole side of the multiverse verging itself on madness
to anyone who might visit?<br>
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<p><a href="https://libraryofbabel.info/">https://libraryofbabel.info/</a></p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/20 9:55 PM, Frank Wimberly
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<div dir="auto">I am unfamiliar with almost all your allusions
with the exception of "El Jardín de los Senderos que se
Bifurcan" which I read in Spanish class many years ago.
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<div dir="auto">Are the rest of you readers familiar with NotP,
etc.?<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:25 PM
Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"
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<p>This discussion of alternate skinning and in particular
the Mad Hatter's Tea Party triggers:<br>
</p>
<p>I am just now (re)visiting Robert Heinlein by reading his
posthumous "fork" of his classic Number of the Beast, <a
href="https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/49241808-the-pursuit-of-the-pankera"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">Pursuit
of the Pankera</a>. The PotP was apparently pulled
together with <a
href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/612713154/robert-heinleins-unpublished-novel"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">funding
from a Kickstarter</a>! In fact it is more likely that
NotB is the "fork" since the PotP material was apparently
complete by 1977 and NOTB was published in 1980. As
appropriate (maybe even somehow intended?) the NotB and
PotP diverge about 20% into the material which is
armatured around the conceit of the protaganist having
invented a "continua" device capable of "sideslipping"
across the (6^6)^6<span
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</span></span><span
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style="display:none;overflow:hidden;width:1px;height:1px;opacity:0;font-size:16.52px">{\displaystyle
(6^{6})^{6}(6^6jjj</span></span><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none"><span></span>or
~10^27 members of the multiverse (not 6^6^6 or ~10
followed by 1M 0s </span><span><span></span><span><span
style="display:none;overflow:hidden;width:1px;height:1px;opacity:0;font-size:14.868px">{\displaystyle
6^{6^{6}}}</span></span>)</span></p>
<p><span
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<p><span
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It is suggested that this represents somehow the
countable but huge continua of possible worlds that the
human imagination is capable of creating, and
*therefore* includes myriad variants on those described
in various bits of classic literature... including
notable "worlds" such as Barsoom, Oz, and the Red
Queen's domain other-side of the looking glass. A
dual, perhaps, of Borges' "Library of Babel", related to
his "Garden of Forking Paths", each applying an
allegorical treatment to the "many worlds"
interpretation of QM. This also is nicely alluded to
with Jasper Fforde's protaganist <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thursday_Next"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">Thursday Next</a> who is a
"literary detective" pursuing crimes in the interstices
of the literary multiverse where all of the characters
(and settings) from literature live and go about "normal
lives" while they are not busy appearing in their
various novels.<br>
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<p><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">I'm
finding Heinlein's preachy characters and prose
excruciatingly painful... something I had a hint of in
my youth when he was inspiring me toward his
human-chauvanist (and confoundingly misogynistic, in
spite of some very inspired female protaganists)
Libertarian views... but I'm slogging through it
anyway, a bit of a visit to my misspent youth and
perhaps some stubborn attempt to be sure I've read all
of his published works. It is somewhat useful for me as
I try to make sense of the current (and all-time?) Right
continuum (whackadoodle to centrist)... a revisiting to
my own roots in such I suppose. I am left to wonder
if Heinlein in his relative (or disturbed?) genius might
tell entirely different stories if he understood the
(unintended/unexpected) consequences of the manifest
hubris of our human-chauvanist culture/industry/economy
as it unfolded toward the end of his life into the
present?</span></p>
<p><span
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<p><span
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Steve<br>
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<div>On 8/4/20 4:57 PM, cody dooderson wrote:<br>
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<div>Could one level be a tea party level? Maybe Glenn
Beck could be the Mad Hatter?</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Cody Smith</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at
3:19 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
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0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Could each "shot"
be a penny given to the Biden campaign?<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
<br>
Nicholas Thompson<br>
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br>
Clark University<br>
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Nick, you have just outlined the dream. The hope was
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