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    <p>Frank -</p>
    <p>Heinlein was up there with the likes of Clark and Asimov, leading
      the Science Fiction community out of the Golden Age into the
      Modern Age in the 50's and 60's and beyond.   He also coined the
      term "Speculative Fiction" to try to distinguish hard,
      science-based speculation/extrapolatin in fiction from the
      all-too-common loosey goosey style of the Golden Age.   He also
      pioneered injecting contemporary social issues into science
      fiction, specifically with Stranger in a Strange Land.   I'm not
      surprised if you don't recognize his later works (e.g. Number of
      the Beast 1980), but I'd have thunk that if you read Science
      Fiction at all Heinlein would be a very familiar name.  <br>
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    <p>I have not read "La Biblioteca de Babel" in Spanish, but I have
      read the translation... given the theme, I'm curious how many
      languages it has been translated into.  Give it a whirl if you
      might?</p>
    <p>It would appear that someone has built a "virtual" Biblioteca de
      Babel online...    I have not explored it in any way.   I suppose
      there are analyses somewhere of the signal/noise ratio which must
      be diminishingly low, as it would seem most/many of the universii
      to be explored by Heinlein's protaganists.   With the Looking
      Glass/Rabbit Hole side of the multiverse verging itself on madness
      to anyone who might visit?<br>
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    <p><a href="https://libraryofbabel.info/">https://libraryofbabel.info/</a></p>
    <p>- Steve<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/20 9:55 PM, Frank Wimberly
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      <div dir="auto">I am unfamiliar with almost all your allusions
        with the exception of "El Jardín de los Senderos que se
        Bifurcan" which I read in Spanish class many years ago.
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        <div dir="auto">Are the rest of you readers familiar with NotP,
          etc.?<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:25 PM
          Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <p>This discussion of alternate skinning and in particular
              the Mad Hatter's Tea Party triggers:<br>
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            <p>I am just now (re)visiting Robert Heinlein by reading his
              posthumous "fork" of his classic Number of the Beast, <a
href="https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/49241808-the-pursuit-of-the-pankera"
                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">Pursuit
                of the Pankera</a>.   The PotP was apparently pulled
              together with <a
href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/612713154/robert-heinleins-unpublished-novel"
                target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">funding
                from a Kickstarter</a>!  In fact it is more likely that
              NotB is the "fork" since the PotP material was apparently
              complete by 1977 and NOTB was published in 1980.  As
              appropriate (maybe even somehow intended?) the NotB and
              PotP diverge about 20% into the material which is
              armatured around the conceit of the protaganist having
              invented a "continua" device capable of "sideslipping"
              across the (6^6)^6<span
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                </span></span><span
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style="display:none;overflow:hidden;width:1px;height:1px;opacity:0;font-size:16.52px">{\displaystyle
                  (6^{6})^{6}(6^6jjj</span></span><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none"><span></span>or
                ~10^27 members of the multiverse (not 6^6^6 or ~10
                followed by 1M 0s </span><span><span></span><span><span
style="display:none;overflow:hidden;width:1px;height:1px;opacity:0;font-size:14.868px">{\displaystyle
                    6^{6^{6}}}</span></span>)</span></p>
            <p><span
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            <p><span
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                It is suggested that this represents somehow the
                countable but huge continua of possible worlds that the
                human imagination is capable of creating, and
                *therefore* includes myriad variants on those described
                in various bits of classic literature... including
                notable "worlds" such as Barsoom, Oz, and the Red
                Queen's domain other-side of the looking glass.   A
                dual, perhaps, of Borges' "Library of Babel", related to
                his "Garden of Forking Paths", each applying an
                allegorical treatment to the "many worlds"
                interpretation of QM.  This also is nicely alluded to
                with Jasper Fforde's protaganist <a
                  href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thursday_Next"
                  target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">Thursday Next</a> who is a
                "literary detective" pursuing crimes in the interstices
                of the literary multiverse where all of the characters
                (and settings) from literature live and go about "normal
                lives" while they are not busy appearing in their
                various novels.<br>
              </span></p>
            <p><span
style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">I'm
                finding Heinlein's preachy characters and prose
                excruciatingly painful...   something I had a hint of in
                my youth when he was inspiring me toward his
                human-chauvanist (and confoundingly misogynistic, in
                spite of some very inspired female protaganists)
                Libertarian views...    but I'm slogging through it
                anyway,  a bit of a visit to my misspent youth and
                perhaps some stubborn attempt to be sure I've read all
                of his published works.  It is somewhat useful for me as
                I try to make sense of the current (and all-time?) Right
                continuum (whackadoodle to centrist)...  a revisiting to
                my own roots in such I suppose.    I am left to wonder
                if Heinlein in his relative (or disturbed?) genius might
                tell entirely different stories if he understood the
                (unintended/unexpected) consequences of the manifest
                hubris of our human-chauvanist culture/industry/economy
                as it unfolded toward the end of his life into the
                present?</span></p>
            <p><span
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                Steve<br>
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            <div>On 8/4/20 4:57 PM, cody dooderson wrote:<br>
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                <div>Could one level be a tea party level? Maybe Glenn
                  Beck could be the Mad Hatter?</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Cody Smith</div>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at
                  3:19 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                  rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Could each "shot"
                  be a penny given to the Biden campaign?<br>
                  <br>
                  Nick<br>
                  <br>
                  Nicholas Thompson<br>
                  Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br>
                  Clark University<br>
                  <a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
                    target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><br>
                  <a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
                    rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
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                  -----Original Message-----<br>
                  From: Friam <<a
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                  On Behalf Of jon zingale<br>
                  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:46 PM<br>
                  To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
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                  Subject: Re: [FRIAM] OK. That's funny.<br>
                  <br>
                  Nick, you have just outlined the dream. The hope was
                  to sell these at 99<br>
                  cents per download. The market for such disposable
                  distractions appears to<br>
                  be firmly established, and potentially profitable.
                  Further, to pull a<br>
                  variant of a Moby, redirecting the profits to one
                  campaign or another could<br>
                  potentially make a change.<br>
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