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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">FWIW, I'm not trying to *assert* collective intention (or higher-order intention). The idea that a collection of intentions exhibits a relatively closed "floor" or "logical layer of abstraction" below ... so that the structure of a collective of intentional agents may well be self-organized in the same way a group of non-intentional objects like molecules or grains of sand might self-organize.
But my intuition argues that that "floor" is not tightly closed ... that there is a LOT of leakage from the intentions of the agents into the "intention" of the collective. For that sort of reasoning, this paper is interesting:
Collective (Telic) Virtue Epistemology
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://philpapers.org/rec/CARCTV">https://philpapers.org/rec/CARCTV</a>
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<p>Glen -</p>
<p>I've been niggling about in my own noggin about the possibility
that "awareness precedes intention", particularly while
considering the collective versions of same, but your link here
yields a delicious confounding of that in the line: <br>
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a (collective) intentional attempt to get it right aptly" which
suggests that awareness/knowledge might not arise in the absence
of intention?</span></p>
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float: none;"><span>thanks for leading me (back) to Sosa...
his work is such a rich vein that I keep dropping away from
it in perplexity I think.</span></span></span></p>
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float: none;"><span>Intuitively I agree that there is a LOT of
leakage from agent's intentionality into a collective, or at
least in the one's we speak of here. But what of cells
forming organs forming organisms? If a cell has an
intention (at least to remain coherent?) then the collective
(organ) supports that intention (as a reward for it's
symbiotic participation in the organ's functions?) of the
cell, but the cell does not provide the higher intentions of
the organ, but rather merely supports them as a byproduct?
Or maybe I'm wrong... since you often speak of
kidney/nephron function... is the intention of the cell
somehow reflected in the intention of the nephron which then
becomes or informs the intention of the kidney which ->
other organs -> organism - > social groupings of
organisms -> ... or perhaps I'm buggering the term
"intention" badly here.</span></span></span></p>
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float: none;"><span>BTW... this is not an attempt to be
argumentative, but rather reflects my own wonderment at the
implications that seem to arise from what you offered
here...<br>
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