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<div dir="auto">Every time I write "passive", Android mail
client auto-completes it as "passive aggressive". <br>
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I also find auto-complete/correct to verge on passive aggressive
itself sometimes. I'm not sure where the UX for these began to
change to "remember" when you "uncorrect" and allows you your
idiosyncratic preferences/choices/specifics in the future.
Context matters, of course...<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Literally
it says “it pleases me” which is the passive voice leading
to the question who is “it?"<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'm no grammar expert, even in my
native English, but I don't believe "me gusta el
cafe" is using passive voice. It literally says
"coffee pleases me". Comments, Frank? But then, I
may be confused about what passive voice is.</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Isn’t it a
consequence of the routine use of the passive
voice in Spanish as in “me gusta” instead of
“yo gusto?”
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<div>The passive voice is pretty much gone in
textbooks but I occasionally I get
objections from Spanish speakers who claim
my textbook can’t be serious because I don’t
use the passive voice.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Despite living in a
Spanish speaking country for 12
years, I still struggle
mightily with Spanish grammar. This
is mainly due to laziness on my
part, as well as lack of necessity
to immerse myself in the language
(there are a lot of English speakers
here, not to mention expat groups on
Facebook in English). Still, Spanish
is *so* much more consistent in all
respects than English -
pronunciation especially. But the
reflexive verbs are still somewhat
of a mystery to me. I've wondered
exactly the same thing that Frank
mentioned: does "the cup fell itself
on me" and "the pencil broke itself
on mf" represent desire to avoid
responsibility? Maybe even blame the
victim? Ouch! Your nose nearly broke
my fist!</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Or the equally
famous Spanish phrase, "The
pencil broke itself." A phrase
which you think I would
remember.
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<div dir="auto">In Spanish if
you drop your cup you say,
"See me cayó la taza". A
literal word--for-word
translation is "The cup fell
itself on me". Some people
say this is an effort to
avoid responsibility.
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<p dir="auto">Very
much so. We hired
a grad student a
long time ago (he
stayed with us
until he retired).
He wrote great
Pascal programs.
He wrote great
Pascal programs in
C++, and in
JavaScript. The
effect of your
first programming
language on style,
idioms, and your
feelings about
recursion and
encapsulation.</p>
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He means more
than that. Even
ordinary
languages
predispose users
to one kind of
discourse or
another. I
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programming
languages do the
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