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<p>Sushi lovers -<br>
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<p>I've never been able to develop (nor really understand) the
eating of fish/seafood.<br>
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<p>I grew up completely landlocked in the Rocky Mountains where it
was at the very least a significant excursion to get to a *small*
lake where there *might be* a few trout stocked. The process of
removing them from said waters by a hook through their lip,
killing them (or more often letting them suffocate to death), and
removing the unpalatable parts did not make me want to eat them
more, only less. The very rare occasion my mother fixed us
frozen/breaded/tartared "fish sticks" were pretty neutral for me.
I think I knew the connection but the preparation style/process
was pretty good at obscuring the source, including the "fishy
taste".<br>
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<p>By the time I was in my mid teens I was developing an idealism
that suggested strongly to me that I should probably not eat
anything that I wasn't willing to capture, kill, clean, butcher,
prepare. This lead me to a *mostly* vegetarian diet well into my
30s (to which I have returned). It also lead me to watch with
puzzlement as many of my peers enjoyed their meat/fowl/fish dishes
while being at least "queasy" when confronted with their
sources. Crab and Lobster being a few of the more disturbing
examples... when the very same diners would probably recoil or at
least cringe if they were approached by a spider or any insect
larger than a speck. I have "forced" myself to eat a variety of
foods in the spirit of Dave's "Anthropologist" posture, but
generally have not found a particular *taste for* any of them, in
particular seafood and insects.</p>
<p>When my older daughter graduated from her undergrad in Santa
Cruz, CA, I hosted a dinner for her at her chosen restaurant.
Surprise! It was a seafood restaurant and the entire contingent
of 20-30 friends and family were excited. Few if any were used
to getting "good, fresh seafood". In the spirit of supporting my
daughter and the other guests, I allowed many of them to offer me
their favorite delicacy... "MmmmmMMMMM!" they would say and I
would take a bite and say "hmmmmm???...." I have no idea what all
I tasted that night. I have a pretty good ability to abstract
myself from visceral things when I need/choose to, so I *can* look
a king crab in the eyestalk while I suck the flesh from his
antennae, but that doesn't mean I *enjoy* it. A few hours later,
after returning to the friends home we were staying with, I began
to violently and involuntarily empty my entire GI tract of
everything I'd eaten through every available orifice. This
continued for roughly 2 days. My best guess is that I, in fact,
am allergic to *some* type of seafood, and was left with the
belief that said allergy may well be part of what informs my lack
of interest and/or distaste for "fishy" flavors. I've continued
to sample "this and that" since then, but much more carefully.
The most famous of seafood allergies, I believe, includes scallops
which I distinctly remember at least one person thrusting into my
mouth and telling me how much I would "enjoy" them....
"MMMMMMMmmMMM!". I didn't notice them to go down one way or the
other (tasty or repugnant) beyond my over-arching distate for
"things that taste fishy", which *everything* did that evening. I
have declined "MMMMMmmMMMMMmmm!" scallops a few times since
then...<br>
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<p>I have a small outdoor pond which I sometimes have to (re)stock
with goldfish. Their role is primarily mosquito (larvae)
control. When I go to the pet store, I buy their "feeder fish"
stocked to feed other animals, paying $.15-$.30 each. I'm not
sure what pets eat these fish (bigger fish? frogs? turtles?
snakes?)... the aquarium person and/or the clerk almost always
asks me "what do you feed these to?" which often elicits a
smart-ass-coy response of "my old Fraternity is getting together
for a reunion"... to which I relent after a second of their
"shock" and say... "I feed these to raccoons"... and then relent
with ... "they eat mosquito larva in my outdoor pool, and over
time, the raccoons often visit and fish them out". <br>
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<p>If I were in a situation where fish-protein was the most obvious
source of food, I am sure I could come to appreciate it... but I
don't imagine I will ever find pleasure in eating raw fish nor
live fish in what I'd call "normal circumstances". More power to
all you sushi lovers, even those landlocked 1000 miles from the
source? 'mmmmMMMmmmmm!!!!".<br>
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<p>- Steve<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/23/20 10:17 PM, Frank Wimberly
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'm glad I majored in math.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:37
PM Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm"
moz-do-not-send="true">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">The year I lived in Japan, I
ate sushi so much that I lost all appetite for it for a
couple of decades. But my acceptance level has returned.
It is quite tasty. I especially like raw tuna. I have had
Fugu and the tingling sensation on lips and tongue is
incomparable to any other dish. On two occasions I ate
live fish, once in a tofu soup heated at your table; the
fish burrowing into the tofu cubes to avoid the heat, then
you toss back the tofu. The other time was catching a
small fish with your chopsticks, dipping it in a hot sauce
and tossing it back. As it wiggled down your throat the
hot sauce felt like burning lava, then the heat exploded
and you did not even notice the rest of the fish you ate.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">One of the wonders of being
an anthropologist is eating exotic foods in order not to
insult your hosts.<br>
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<div style="font-family:Arial">davew<br>
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<div>On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, at 1:29 PM, <a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>
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<p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">I
would sooner eat Dog.<br>
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<p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">Nicholas
Thompson<br>
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<p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">Emeritus
Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br>
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<p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">Clark
University<br>
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href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><br>
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<p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"><a
href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><br>
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<div><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jochen Fromm<br>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:20 AM<br>
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<div><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick
(political-words focused)<br>
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<p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">What
is so bad about Sushi? It is a bit fishy and cold,
but on hot summer days it can be refreshing. I am
not a fan of raw fish but good Sushi is an art.<br>
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<p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">-J.<br>
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style="color:black">From: Frank Wimberly <<a
href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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style="color:black">Date: 8/23/20 18:52
(GMT+01:00)</span><br>
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style="color:black">To: The Friday Morning
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style="color:black">Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words
for Nick (political-words focused)</span><br>
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style="margin-bottom:12pt">I have never eaten nor
will I ever eat sushi.<br>
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<div>Frank C. Wimberly<br>
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<p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">On
Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 9:10 AM glen<span><span
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href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
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<div>I think the standard rhetoric is that the Dems
limit positive freedoms, where the Reps limit
negative freedoms. <a
href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/</a>
Though I have lots of problems with this (always
false) dichotomy.<br>
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<div>There are exceptions, of course. Anti-abortion
Reps want to limit your ability to get an abortion
(a positive liberty), whereas Dems tend to want to
limit your cloistering away from people different
from you (a negative liberty) [<span><span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI
Symbol",sans-serif">⛧</span></span>]. But
it's a good enough dichotomy for most things. I
tend to think of the Dems as constraint-based
solvers (inverse map) and Reps as positivists
(forward map). Personally, I try to be pluralist
and agnostic and choose solvers that seem to have
a history of working.<br>
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<div>[<span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI
Symbol",sans-serif">⛧</span></span>] I'd
be happy to live somewhere without any sushi, for
example. Those damned Democrats keep trying to
force me to eat sushi. 8^D I have the right to
live in a sushi-free zone. Don't bring your damned
sushi to go plate into the local tap room or I'll
be forced to shoot you in the face with my 9mm
loaded with 15 hollow points that I trained for a
WHOLE HOUR so I can carry it in my pocket.<br>
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<div>On 8/22/20 5:26 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<br>
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<div>> What freedoms are Democrats trying to take
away? The freedom to dump mine tailings in
creeks? That's the one that I can think of.<br>
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