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    <p>Sushi lovers -<br>
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    <p>I've never been able to develop (nor really understand) the
      eating of fish/seafood.<br>
    </p>
    <p>I grew up completely landlocked in the Rocky Mountains where it
      was at the very least a significant excursion to get to a *small*
      lake where there *might be* a few trout stocked.  The process of
      removing them from said waters by a hook through their lip,
      killing them (or more often letting them suffocate to death), and
      removing the unpalatable parts did not make me want to eat them
      more, only less.   The very rare occasion my mother fixed us
      frozen/breaded/tartared "fish sticks" were pretty neutral for me. 
      I think I knew the connection but the preparation style/process
      was pretty good at obscuring the source, including the "fishy
      taste".<br>
    </p>
    <p>By the time I was in my mid teens I was developing an idealism
      that suggested strongly to me that I should probably not eat
      anything that I wasn't willing to capture, kill, clean, butcher,
      prepare.   This lead me to a *mostly* vegetarian diet well into my
      30s (to which I have returned).   It also lead me to watch with
      puzzlement as many of my peers enjoyed their meat/fowl/fish dishes
      while being at least "queasy" when confronted with their
      sources.   Crab and Lobster being a few of the more disturbing
      examples...  when the very same diners would probably recoil or at
      least cringe if they were approached by a spider or any insect
      larger than a speck.   I have "forced" myself to eat a variety of
      foods in the spirit of Dave's "Anthropologist" posture, but
      generally have not found a particular *taste for* any of them, in
      particular seafood and insects.</p>
    <p>When my older daughter graduated from her undergrad in Santa
      Cruz, CA, I hosted a dinner for her at her chosen restaurant.  
      Surprise!  It was a seafood restaurant and the entire contingent
      of 20-30 friends and family were excited.   Few if any were used
      to getting "good, fresh seafood".   In the spirit of supporting my
      daughter and the other guests, I allowed many of them to offer me
      their favorite delicacy... "MmmmmMMMMM!" they would say and I
      would take a bite and say "hmmmmm???...." I have no idea what all
      I tasted that night.   I have a pretty good ability to abstract
      myself from visceral things when I need/choose to, so I *can* look
      a king crab in the eyestalk while I suck the flesh from his
      antennae, but that doesn't mean I *enjoy* it.   A few hours later,
      after returning to the friends home we were staying with, I began
      to violently and involuntarily empty my entire GI tract of
      everything I'd eaten through every available orifice.   This
      continued for roughly 2 days.   My best guess is that I, in fact,
      am allergic to *some* type of seafood, and was left with the
      belief that said allergy may well be part of what informs my lack
      of interest and/or distaste for "fishy" flavors.   I've continued
      to sample "this and that" since then, but much more carefully.  
      The most famous of seafood allergies, I believe, includes scallops
      which I distinctly remember at least one person thrusting into my
      mouth and telling me how much I would "enjoy" them....
      "MMMMMMMmmMMM!".  I didn't notice them to go down one way or the
      other (tasty or repugnant) beyond my over-arching distate for
      "things that taste fishy", which *everything* did that evening.  I
      have declined "MMMMMmmMMMMMmmm!" scallops a few times since
      then...<br>
    </p>
    <p>I have a small outdoor pond which I sometimes have to (re)stock
      with goldfish.   Their role is primarily mosquito (larvae)
      control.   When I go to the pet store, I buy their "feeder fish"
      stocked to feed other animals, paying $.15-$.30 each.  I'm not
      sure what pets eat these fish (bigger fish?  frogs?  turtles? 
      snakes?)...   the aquarium person and/or the clerk almost always
      asks me "what do you feed these to?"  which often elicits a
      smart-ass-coy response of "my old Fraternity is getting together
      for a reunion"... to which I relent after a second of their
      "shock" and say... "I feed these to raccoons"...  and then relent
      with   ... "they eat mosquito larva in my outdoor pool, and over
      time, the raccoons often visit and fish them out".   <br>
    </p>
    <p>If I were in a situation where fish-protein was the most obvious
      source of food,  I am sure I could come to appreciate it... but I
      don't imagine I will ever find pleasure in eating raw fish nor
      live fish in what I'd call "normal circumstances".   More power to
      all you sushi lovers, even those landlocked 1000 miles from the
      source? 'mmmmMMMmmmmm!!!!".<br>
    </p>
    <p>- Steve<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/23/20 10:17 PM, Frank Wimberly
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I'm glad I majored in math.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:37
          PM Prof David West <<a href="mailto:profwest@fastmail.fm"
            moz-do-not-send="true">profwest@fastmail.fm</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <div style="font-family:Arial">The year I lived in Japan, I
              ate sushi so much that I lost all appetite for it for a
              couple of decades. But my acceptance level has returned.
              It is quite tasty. I especially like raw tuna. I have had
              Fugu and the tingling sensation on lips and tongue is
              incomparable to any other dish. On two occasions I ate
              live fish, once in a tofu soup heated at your table; the
              fish burrowing into the tofu cubes to avoid the heat, then
              you toss back the tofu. The other time was catching a
              small fish with your chopsticks, dipping it in a hot sauce
              and tossing it back. As it wiggled down your throat the
              hot sauce felt like burning lava, then the heat exploded
              and you did not even notice the rest of the fish you ate.<br>
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            <div style="font-family:Arial">One of the wonders of being
              an anthropologist is eating exotic foods in order not to
              insult your hosts.<br>
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            <div style="font-family:Arial">davew<br>
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            </div>
            <div>On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, at 1:29 PM, <a
                href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>
              wrote:<br>
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                <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">I
                  would sooner eat Dog.<br>
                </p>
                <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"> <br>
                </p>
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                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">Nicholas
                    Thompson<br>
                  </p>
                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">Emeritus
                    Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br>
                  </p>
                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">Clark
                    University<br>
                  </p>
                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"><a
                      href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                        style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><br>
                  </p>
                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"><a
                      href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                        style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><br>
                  </p>
                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"><br>
                  </p>
                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"> <br>
                  </p>
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                <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"> <br>
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                    <div><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
                        href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jochen Fromm<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, August 23, 2020 11:20 AM<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied
                      Complexity Coffee Group <<a
                        href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick
                      (political-words focused)<br>
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                  </div>
                </div>
                <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"> <br>
                </p>
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                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">What
                    is so bad about Sushi? It is a bit fishy and cold,
                    but on hot summer days it can be refreshing. I am
                    not a fan of raw fish but good Sushi is an art.<br>
                  </p>
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                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"> <br>
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                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">-J.<br>
                  </p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"> <br>
                  </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"><span
                        style="color:black">-------- Original message
                        --------</span><br>
                    </p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"><span
                        style="color:black">From: Frank Wimberly <<a
                          href="mailto:wimberly3@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wimberly3@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
                    </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"><span
                        style="color:black">Date: 8/23/20 18:52
                        (GMT+01:00)</span><br>
                    </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"><span
                        style="color:black">To: The Friday Morning
                        Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a
                          href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>></span><br>
                    </p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"><span
                        style="color:black">Subject: Re: [FRIAM] words
                        for Nick (political-words focused)</span><br>
                    </p>
                  </div>
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                    <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"><span
                        style="color:black"> </span><br>
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                  <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"
                    style="margin-bottom:12pt">I have never eaten nor
                    will I ever eat sushi.<br>
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                    <div>---<br>
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                    <div>Frank C. Wimberly<br>
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                    <div>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
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                    <div>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
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                    <div>505 670-9918<br>
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                    <div>Santa Fe, NM<br>
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                <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal"> <br>
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                    <p class="gmail-m_-5066166064151337981qt-MsoNormal">On
                      Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 9:10 AM glen<span><span
                          style="font-family:"Cambria
                          Math",serif">∉ℂ</span></span> <<a
                        href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gepropella@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                    <div>I think the standard rhetoric is that the Dems
                      limit positive freedoms, where the Reps limit
                      negative freedoms. <a
                        href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/</a>
                      Though I have lots of problems with this (always
                      false) dichotomy.<br>
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                    <div><br>
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                    <div>There are exceptions, of course. Anti-abortion
                      Reps want to limit your ability to get an abortion
                      (a positive liberty), whereas Dems tend to want to
                      limit your cloistering away from people different
                      from you (a negative liberty) [<span><span
                          style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                          Symbol",sans-serif">⛧</span></span>]. But
                      it's a good enough dichotomy for most things. I
                      tend to think of the Dems as constraint-based
                      solvers (inverse map) and Reps as positivists
                      (forward map). Personally, I try to be pluralist
                      and agnostic and choose solvers that seem to have
                      a history of working.<br>
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                    <div>[<span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                          Symbol",sans-serif">⛧</span></span>] I'd
                      be happy to live somewhere without any sushi, for
                      example. Those damned Democrats keep trying to
                      force me to eat sushi. 8^D I have the right to
                      live in a sushi-free zone. Don't bring your damned
                      sushi to go plate into the local tap room or I'll
                      be forced to shoot you in the face with my 9mm
                      loaded with 15 hollow points that I trained for a
                      WHOLE HOUR so I can carry it in my pocket.<br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>On 8/22/20 5:26 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <div>> What freedoms are Democrats trying to take
                      away?  The freedom to dump mine tailings in
                      creeks?  That's the one that I can think of.<br>
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                    <div>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. ....
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