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    <p>Their IP seems to be in full-text indexing/search/patterning
      along the lines of Abe Lederman's Deep Web <br>
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      <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.deepwebtech.com/">https://www.deepwebtech.com/</a></p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/13/20 8:44 AM, Steve Smith wrote:<br>
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          float: none;">Sorry... in my attempt to become "more brief" in
          my rattling on here, I left a few things out I could have
          included/referenced.   Also, I've only penetrated the first
          layer myself.<br>
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          float: none;">From
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      <p>we read:<br>
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        <p><i><span style="color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family:
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              !important; float: none;">"With D-Wave’s quantum services,
              SavantX has begun offering its Hyper Optimization Nodal
              Efficiency (HONE) technology to solve optimization
              problems to customers such as the Pier 300 container
              terminal project at the Port of Los Angeles."</span></i></p>
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      <p><span style="color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: "Open
          Sans"; font-size: 15px; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
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          float: none;">I don't find any HONE references in their
          website... which feels a little odd...   but not unsurprising
          for a company just standing up or in transition.<br>
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      <p><span style="color: rgb(50, 50, 50); font-family: "Open
          Sans"; font-size: 15px; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
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          float: none;">The most directly relevant to my work is their
          HyperNav which appears to be ("nothing more than") a workflow
          or methodology around projecting 6 dimensions into 3 which
          might be "nothing more than" a grand tour or
          projection-pursuit technique (which is where I was hinting
          Dave to start his own pursuit of hyper-platonic solids).  It
          is a hard problem to guide naive practitioners to begin to
          "see" their higher dimensional data/models in an intuitive way
          that fits their needs.   Visual Purple appears to be somewhat
          "boutique" depending on the talent/genius of individual 3D
          animators to customize a data/model treatment that fits their
          client's proclivities.   I honor and value that skill but am
          more interested, myself in novel methodologies that *support*
          that kind of insight/genius.   I'm not sure if HyperNav is
          that... and I suppose HONE feels the same way in ??? domain?</span></p>
      <p>- Steve<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/13/20 8:14 AM, Frank Wimberly
        wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">HONE.  What are the words that make up the
          acronym?  <br>
          <br>
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            Frank C. Wimberly<br>
            140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>
            Santa Fe, NM 87505<br>
            <br>
            505 670-9918<br>
            Santa Fe, NM</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 8:10
            AM Steve Smith <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thinks for
            the extra references.   I can't penetrate the brochure-speak<br>
            either... even HONE which sounds like yet another gussied up
            machine<br>
            learning platform.  Of course, a great deal of the success
            in that<br>
            domain is it's application.   I'm assuming they are stirring
            in some<br>
            Quantum just to create the appearance of an "edge". <br>
            <br>
            Do you have any more insight into what HONE is beyond the
            words that<br>
            make the acronym?<br>
            <br>
            Heinbockel's other company of record:  Visual Purple<br>
            <a href="https://visualpurple.com" rel="noreferrer
              noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://visualpurple.com</a>
            reminds me way too much of the two major<br>
            clients that I suffered in the last 12 years... WorldScape
            and Micoy,<br>
            each of whom were aspiring to fill a strong niche in virtual
            training<br>
            and hollywood FX, but they started with modest IP in the
            multi-camera<br>
            capture domain (flat and spherical arrays)...  the websites
            are slick<br>
            enough and have enough implied content for many customers I
            suspect.   I<br>
            think their demo reel would be what makes or breaks them. 
            And whomever<br>
            his "co-founder" might be...<br>
            <br>
            On 9/13/20 5:40 AM, ⛧ glen wrote:<br>
            > It seems they're not trying to be a hardware company.<br>
            > <a
href="https://www.insidequantumtechnology.com/news/savantx-partnering-with-d-wave-to-help-trucking-companies-optimizing-loads-and-driver-retention/"
              rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.insidequantumtechnology.com/news/savantx-partnering-with-d-wave-to-help-trucking-companies-optimizing-loads-and-driver-retention/</a><br>
            ><br>
            > I found no listings in the gov funded contracts
            databases. But CNN lists them as a PPP recipient:<br>
            > <a
href="https://www.cnn.com/projects/ppp-business-loans/businesses/savantx-inc"
              rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.cnn.com/projects/ppp-business-loans/businesses/savantx-inc</a><br>
            ><br>
            > My new guess is Ed made a pretty penny in an IPO and
            has been hunting for the next big wave, buzzwords from AI/ML
            to data science to QC.<br>
            ><br>
            > I'm worried that HONE might be an interesting thing
            that gets occluded by 'entrepreneurship'. <br>
            ><br>
            > On September 13, 2020 3:10:25 AM PDT, "⛧ glen" <<a
              href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com" target="_blank"
              rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">gepropella@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br>
            >> Thanks for the link to that book!<br>
            >><br>
            >> I'm unable to pierce the wall of hype around
            savantx. Ostby's patents<br>
            >> are about search and training sims. My guess is
            they're riding a string<br>
            >> of SBIR type funding and have convinced some brass
            that they can do<br>
            >> something cool. I hope it's true and not just hype.<br>
            >><br>
            >><br>
            >> On September 12, 2020 6:08:52 PM PDT, Steve Smith
            <<a href="mailto:sasmyth@swcp.com" target="_blank"
              rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true">sasmyth@swcp.com</a>><br>
            >> wrote:<br>
            >>> I'm also interested in the possibility that
            perspectives such as are<br>
            >>> presented in books like Blackfoot Physics<br>
            >>> <<a
              href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/110248.Blackfoot_Physics"
              rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/110248.Blackfoot_Physics</a>>
            might<br>
            >>> have some traction, and the long-shot chance
            that one of my young Tewa<br>
            >>> neighbors, for example,  might grow up and
            revolutionize this domain<br>
            >>> through hybridization of their own cosmological
            perspectives and those<br>
            >>> that lead to our current quantum technology.  <br>
            >>><br>
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