<div dir="auto">I am not an observant "religious person" but I am a student of religions. For example, I find Karen Armstrong's book "A History of God" fascinating. It is a history of the Abrahamic faith traditions. My wife is Jewish, my daughter is an Evangelical Christian, my granddaughter is a Muslim but that doesn't count much yet since she is only three. I find value in all of these.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I have a cousin, John Wimberly, who is a Presbyterian minister. His church was near the Department of State in DC. He is now retired and works at the Alban Institute (qv). He has a PhD from Wisconsin and an MBA from Georgetown. I will invite him to a physical Friam if he ever comes to Santa Fe. He has a winter home in Mexico. His sermons are great in that he minimizes the divine and talks about the reality of what was happening in the gospels. His version of the water to wine story is fascinating.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:16 PM Stephen Guerin <<a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com">stephen.guerin@simtable.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Marcus writes:</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> I guess the only thing I hate more than cops are religious people. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>
As a list admin, this might be flaggable.
I'm not sure if expressing hatred of a protected class of people in of itself is hate speech- it seems to be at least up to the line.
Ie, replace with "The two groups I hate more than cops are gays and black people" - would I have a responsibility to intercede?<br><br> As I consider the impotence of this group to take political action and incite political violence I consider the statement low to zero risk. I will take no action as a list admin. Intellectually, I would like to know where the line of hate speech is.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, as a fellow list member and religious person, I find your hate an opportunity for discussion and exploration.
I would estimate your emotion is held by at least a rough majority of list members. <br><br>The Science / Religion schism, I think it is one of the great divides in our political situation and may signify a phase transition in our culture as we stretch for new metaphors in scientific and spiritual understanding. The 2000-year old metaphors are certainly getting long in the tooth. Similarly, many on this list feel the 60-year-old scientific metaphors around fundamental questions of intelligence and living systems are in the process of updating and exploration. I suspect there will be opportunities for synthesis.<br><br> Perhaps Merle would like to facilitate a virtualFriam on the topic. <br></div><div><br></div><div>-Stephen</div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Stephen.Guerin@Simtable.com</a><div>CEO, Simtable <a href="http://www.simtable.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.simtable.com</a><br><div>1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505<div><div>office: (505)995-0206 <span style="font-size:12.8px">mobile: (505)577-5828</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">twitter: @simtable</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><a href="http://zoom.com/j/5055775828" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">zoom.com/j/5055775828</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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