<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">I am in accord with Stephen's remarks. Though I do think some engage in hyperbole without really meaning what they say, we have far too much hate in this world. Also, the broad use of the term "cops" and "religious persons" is inappropriate in this forum. Specificially I might or might not consider myself to be a religious person since I am member of the United Church of Christ here in Santa Fe and have been active with Beit Midrash at Temple Beth Shalom. Should I now consider myself hated?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>George Duncan</div><div>Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University<br><a href="http://georgeduncanart.com/" target="_blank">georgeduncanart.com</a></div><div>See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram</div>
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As a list admin, this might be flaggable.
I'm not sure if expressing hatred of a protected class of people in of itself is hate speech- it seems to be at least up to the line.
Ie, replace with "The two groups I hate more than cops are gays and black people" - would I have a responsibility to intercede?<br><br> As I consider the impotence of this group to take political action and incite political violence I consider the statement low to zero risk. I will take no action as a list admin. Intellectually, I would like to know where the line of hate speech is.</div><div><br></div><div>Now, as a fellow list member and religious person, I find your hate an opportunity for discussion and exploration.
I would estimate your emotion is held by at least a rough majority of list members. <br><br>The Science / Religion schism, I think it is one of the great divides in our political situation and may signify a phase transition in our culture as we stretch for new metaphors in scientific and spiritual understanding. The 2000-year old metaphors are certainly getting long in the tooth. Similarly, many on this list feel the 60-year-old scientific metaphors around fundamental questions of intelligence and living systems are in the process of updating and exploration. I suspect there will be opportunities for synthesis.<br><br> Perhaps Merle would like to facilitate a virtualFriam on the topic. <br></div><div><br></div><div>-Stephen</div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com" target="_blank">Stephen.Guerin@Simtable.com</a><div>CEO, Simtable <a href="http://www.simtable.com/" target="_blank">http://www.simtable.com</a><br><div>1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505<div><div>office: (505)995-0206 <span style="font-size:12.8px">mobile: (505)577-5828</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">twitter: @simtable</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><a href="http://zoom.com/j/5055775828" target="_blank">zoom.com/j/5055775828</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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