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<p class="MsoNormal">My parents are UCC members. Not that I would think anyone would or should care. I wouldn’t tell people about visiting a shrink if I were to do that, why do people tell me about their mental health maintenance organizations? Oh my
dog, I used the word “hate”. I do worry when people start to think in terms of saviors like Q-Anon, or Jesus, or Muhammad, or whatever. Adopting religion is a voluntary adoption of a set of ideas. It is not like being black, modulo other discussions
we occasionally have on this list about free will. To the extent any such people are “protected” is just because they are such bullies to begin with that they presume to bend social systems around their will. Keep it off my wave.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 11:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Owen Densmore <owen@backspaces.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] why some people hate cops<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I am in accord with Stephen's remarks. Though I do think some engage in hyperbole without really meaning what they say, we have far too much hate in this world. Also, the broad
use of the term "cops" and "religious persons" is inappropriate in this forum. Specificially I might or might not consider myself to be a religious person since I am member of the United Church of Christ here in Santa Fe and have been active with Beit Midrash
at Temple Beth Shalom. Should I now consider myself hated?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 12:16 PM Stephen Guerin <<a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com">stephen.guerin@simtable.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I guess the only thing I hate more than cops are religious people. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a list admin, this might be flaggable. I'm not sure if expressing hatred of a protected class of people in of itself is hate speech- it seems to be at least up to the line. Ie, replace with "The two groups I hate more than cops are
gays and black people" - would I have a responsibility to intercede?<br>
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As I consider the impotence of this group to take political action and incite political violence I consider the statement low to zero risk. I will take no action as a list admin. Intellectually, I would like to know where the line of hate speech is.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now, as a fellow list member and religious person, I find your hate an opportunity for discussion and exploration. I would estimate your emotion is held by at least a rough majority of list members.
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The Science / Religion schism, I think it is one of the great divides in our political situation and may signify a phase transition in our culture as we stretch for new metaphors in scientific and spiritual understanding. The 2000-year old metaphors are certainly
getting long in the tooth. Similarly, many on this list feel the 60-year-old scientific metaphors around fundamental questions of intelligence and living systems are in the process of updating and exploration. I suspect there will be opportunities for synthesis.<br>
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