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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Are you accusing me of being huffy?! Ach! Now THAT makes me huffy.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Internet connection seems to be affected by how many others are on, so very bad in the morning before people go out and in the early evening when the come home. So, I may not be able to show up. Please make my apologies if I don’t show up by 10.15. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks, Frank, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nick <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Clark University<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Wimberly<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:38 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] why some people hate cops<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I think I hate huffiness, in all its forms. I plan to be very huffy about people who are huffy..</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>You're close to one of the great insights: the people who bother you intensely are often the ones who are like you in the way that you hate.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 8:19 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>I think I hate huffiness, in all its forms. I plan to be very huffy about people who are huffy. <br><br>I agree FRIAM should not be a safe space. In that case, what would be the point?<br><br>Nick <br><br>Nicholas Thompson<br>Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br>Clark University<br><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><br><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> On Behalf Of u?l? ???<br>Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:14 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] why some people hate cops<br><br>I was recently triggered by what I thought was a disparaging comment from EricC about the recent attempt to redefine "racism" so as to (primarily) refer to systemic racism. The idea, I think, is that a minority can't be called "racist" because the majority has overwhelming control over the system in which they live. After asking a clarifying question (as I *always* have to do with EricC! >8^D), he elaborated that it's unreasonable to *expect* everyone to know that the definition has changed. Confusion will mount because language is fluid, ambiguity exists, definitions change, not all people are the same, etc.<br><br>But there's depth to the discussion. Religious people have been in near TOTAL control of our world for a very very long time. Even today, atheists are nearly unelectable. If it weren't for some fluidity in the market of different religions, that control would be total. Part of why I like jokes like the Discordians and Flying Spaghetti Monster (and more deeply the Satanic Temple) is because they compete in that ridiculous market. To accuse a minority of hate speech against a majority is a little off-kilter, to me. It may be literally appropriate. But it misses the nuance of the conversation.<br><br><br>On 9/24/20 11:59 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>> To the extent any such people are “protected” is just because they are such bullies to begin with that they presume to bend social systems around their will. 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