<div dir="auto">I am an author of 6+ published papers in complexity but the topic "algorithms for inference of gene regulatory networks using causal reasoning" would not keep people's interest I fear. Nor would "validation of ABMs using causal inference". Any presentation of that work would require a projector and/or a whiteboard. I like unstructured, informal conversations along the lines of the discussions on the List.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">p.s. the papers mentioned are available for reading.</div><div dir="auto"><br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">---<br>Frank C. Wimberly<br>140 Calle Ojo Feliz, <br>Santa Fe, NM 87505<br><br>505 670-9918<br>Santa Fe, NM</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 3:24 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-353097751863950457WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Steve, <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Well, I hate people who hate. Hating something, particularly any category as broad as “religious people”, is like putting your own eyes out and blaming the darkness. I hate myself when I hate. But I think the hatred described here is mostly rhetorical. There is a way of talking on FRIAM that involves using hyperbole with a wink, and, given that 80 percent of Americans are more or less religious, I think this is an example. It’s almost equivalent to saying, “I hate people,” which I can complete understand, but wouldn’t admit to out loud. Actually, I don’t think there are a lot of haters in this group. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">‘<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I think we are at our best as a group when we talk about things we (1) care about, (2) on which we have some [expert?} experience to bring to bear, and on which our minds are at least slightly ajar. I do wish complexity would rear its ugly head more often in our discussions, but I would guess we have drifted away from it both in caring and in knowledge, so, if we tried to get a discussion going, it would be like burping up last night’s <i>Famiglia Cribari. </i><b><i><u>µ</u></i></b><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Nick<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>µ For those of you who are under 80, Famiglia Cribari was the graduate student wine of choice in the 60’s. You bought it in jugs. If you brought a whole jug to a pot luck, you were forgiven for not bringing any food. </b><b><u></u><u></u></b></p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></b></div><p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:#0563c1">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:#0563c1">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Guerin<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Owen Densmore <<a href="mailto:owen@backspaces.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">owen@backspaces.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] why some people hate cops<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal">Marcus writes:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"> I guess the only thing I hate more than cops are religious people. <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As a list admin, this might be flaggable. I'm not sure if expressing hatred of a protected class of people in of itself is hate speech- it seems to be at least up to the line. Ie, replace with "The two groups I hate more than cops are gays and black people" - would I have a responsibility to intercede?<br><br>As I consider the impotence of this group to take political action and incite political violence I consider the statement low to zero risk. I will take no action as a list admin. Intellectually, I would like to know where the line of hate speech is.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Now, as a fellow list member and religious person, I find your hate an opportunity for discussion and exploration. I would estimate your emotion is held by at least a rough majority of list members. <br><br>The Science / Religion schism, I think it is one of the great divides in our political situation and may signify a phase transition in our culture as we stretch for new metaphors in scientific and spiritual understanding. The 2000-year old metaphors are certainly getting long in the tooth. Similarly, many on this list feel the 60-year-old scientific metaphors around fundamental questions of intelligence and living systems are in the process of updating and exploration. I suspect there will be opportunities for synthesis.<br><br> Perhaps Merle would like to facilitate a virtualFriam on the topic. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">-Stephen<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:stephen.guerin@simtable.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Stephen.Guerin@Simtable.com</a><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">CEO, Simtable <a href="http://www.simtable.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.simtable.com</a><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">office: (505)995-0206 <span style="font-size:9.5pt">mobile: (505)577-5828</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">twitter: @simtable</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><a href="http://zoom.com/j/5055775828" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">zoom.com/j/5055775828</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<br>
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