<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 6:17 AM u\u01ddl\u0183 \u2199\u2199\u2199 <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">So, when you were considering the risk of political violence and thinking about "flagging" the post, whatever that means, you were only trying to change the subject to something you'd prefer to talk about?
</blockquote><div> <br></div><div>Good question, Glen.</div><div><br></div><div> "Flagging" a post to me would have been a list admin email of the sort:</div><div> "In the judgment of the List Admin, this speech is considered hate speech and will not be tolerated in this forum. This is a warning. Any posters that use this type of language will be given a public warning and if their post behavior continues they will be unsubscribed"</div><div><br></div><div>I think my original post was clear. As list admin, I did not feel Marcus post called for this type of action/flagging. I gave one reason that the risk of inciting violence was near zero and my follow up post which you quote is I also understand the sentiment behind Marcus's post.</div><div><br></div><div>And then I concluded the "list admin" portion of my post as intellectually wondering what constitutes hate speech. In my little corner of the world, I've never had to make that determination as a manager or any other position of authority. Nor have I been part of large enough organizations to sit through seminars listen to this sort of expertise. I did find your EricC reference interesting in this regard if a "majority" could be a protected class. Relatedly, I came across this <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/07/canadian-judge-punching-a-caucasian-and-yelling-i-hate-white-people-isnt-a-hate-crime/">WaPO article</a> of a First Nation/Native woman yelled "I hate white people" and then punched a lady in the nose and it was judged not a hate crime.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope I was clear in the 2nd part of my post replying as a list member and "religious" person to bring up what I wanted to talk about.</div><div><br></div><div>-Stephen</div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 6:17 AM u\u01ddl\u0183 \u2199\u2199\u2199 <<a href="mailto:gepropella@gmail.com">gepropella@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">So, when you were considering the risk of political violence and thinking about "flagging" the post, whatever that means, you were only trying to change the subject to something you'd prefer to talk about?<br>
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On 9/24/20 11:15 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote:<br>
> As a list admin, this might be flaggable. I'm not sure if expressing hatred of a protected class of people in of itself is hate speech- it seems to be at least up to the line. Ie, replace with "The two groups I hate more than cops are gays and black people" - would I have a responsibility to intercede?<br>
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> As I consider the impotence of this group to take political action and incite political violence I consider the statement low to zero risk. I will take no action as a list admin. Intellectually, I would like to know where the line of hate speech is.<br>
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On 9/24/20 11:32 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote:<br>
> Yes, I recognize Marcus's "I hate religious people" for what it was.<br>
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