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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Marcus,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Please see larding, below; thanks again for your help in thinking about this. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>N<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Clark University<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 4, 2020 3:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Shorthands for Brain-stuff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>An intent is an outcome; an intent is not a cause. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i>[NST===>I absolutely agree that an intent is not a cause. I would call it a design, a higher order structure of behavior over time and space such that the responses to a variety of circumstances converge on single outcome. So I guess I would have to disagree that an intent IS an outcome. <===nst] <o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=MsoNormal> In your model intents come from the <i>l.teleonomicus</i>, machinery that follows the same rules of physics as everything else.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><i>[NST===>Yes, but not just those laws. <===nst] </i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 4, 2020 2:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Shorthands for Brain-stuff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Marcus, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for engaging.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>However, I am not sure I understand your comment. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The statement that events in the brain mediate events in behavior are in no way inconsistent with materialism, a form of monism, are they?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nick <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Clark University<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcus Daniels<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 4, 2020 2:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com">friam@redfish.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Shorthands for Brain-stuff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nick writes: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><<b> </b>Jones is accused of a terrible crime which requires forming and acting on an intention. The police bungle the arrest and jones is shot dead. Jones’s wife sues the police, claiming the underlying crime could not have been performed by Jones because he was incapable of forming an intention. Since Jones is dead, the simple test procedure cannot be performed. So Jones’s wife demands an autopsy, where it is found that indeed, Jones had developed a cancerous lesion in <i>l. teleonomicus. </i>Judgment is made in favor if the wife. ><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Still haven’t addressed the dualism in your <i>l.teleonomicus </i>argument. You’ve just compartmentalized it as a magic black box.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The wife may have case because the cops bungled the arrest. They don’t determine guilt or innocence.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Marcus<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>