<div dir="ltr">-9,-8.1<div>But I do think it would depend a bit on the day.</div><div>Oddly, never thought of myself as a libertarian.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal">There is another aspect of staying behind which puts more weight on maintaining local (e.g. family and childhood) relationships.   I don’t think this inclination is overtly authoritarian.   However, a strong desire to maintain a social
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 12, 2020 7:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So this is metastasizing now, and there have been other decades when it wasn’t such a problem, or at least not as overt.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is that due to demographic sorting?  In more prosperous (or even just earlier) times, enough people stayed near where they were born that cultures got some mix of preferences, and you didn’t have whole regions “submitting too much to the
 authorities in their lives”.  But when those who wanted out could get out, and did so systematically, the ones who stayed behind could create a tailored paradise for the preferences that had caused them to stay behind?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Roger Critchlow <<a href="mailto:rec@elf.org" target="_blank">rec@elf.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-- rec --<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 12:27 AM Marcus Daniels <<a href="mailto:marcus@snoutfarm.com" target="_blank">marcus@snoutfarm.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There’s a page on the 2020 election where they claim, among other strange things, that Warren is a right-leaning authoritarian.   If that is true, which I doubt, it says to me politicians
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen Guerin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 10, 2020 8:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, 9:18 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m more of a libertarian than Dave is?  Something MUST be wrong, here.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Prof David West<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 10, 2020 6:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Political compass teest<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Oct 10, 2020, at 5:56 PM, <a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com" target="_blank">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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