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<p>Nick -</p>
<p>I'm not splitting hairs on you here to pester... but truly trying
to sort out my own use of these terms.</p>
<p>An "intention" is a passive thing in my vocabulary. It is
something I have not yet acted on, even though it is *about an
action*. In that sense I "hold" an intention (if "have" is too
passive?). When I actively "hold" onto an action and don't
execute it, that is an intention. I think.</p>
<p>To the extent that an MRI or a good body-language reader or my
own (unreliable?) introspective narration can provide a chronicle
of my "intentions" they are in some way very passive "actions".
I suppose this is what you mean by "action"?</p>
<p>On the other side (bracketing what we might mean by this)... an
"intention" is *more* of an action than "having a value" or
"having an idea" or "having a desire"? Each of these might
*activate* into an "intention" which then also must activate into
an "action"? values, ideas, desires are more passive than
intentions? <br>
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<p>Maybe this is an oblique tangent to what you really wanted to
talk about.</p>
<p>- Steve<br>
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<div dir="auto">I intend to check the mail in a few minutes. I am
not doing it now. Nobody else knows of my plan until you read
this. Why can't I validly say that I have that intention?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have not had time to follow this
thread, but just want to remind you what my first
response to your question would be. Intentions are not
the sorts of thing we “have”. They are things that we
do. They are of a higher order than knee jerks, or even
apple bites, but they are patterns in behavior all the
same. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have busy because I signed up to do
all sorts of things in September because I had nothing
to do, and to my horror and surprise, every thing I
signed up for, bore fruit and now I am overwhelmed. I
have a prejudice against Dennett. I think he worries
too much about his standing with the Big Kids at Harvard
and trying NOT to violate vernacular ways of thinking so
much as to dent his royalties. And I am jealous of
him. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So there. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope you are well</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and
Psychology</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Clark University</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Russ Abbott<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 20, 2020 12:07 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] Dennett on agency</p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Not
sure what the point is. Larger systems can exploit
information and "pick of scars." Cells in that
sense are larger systems. I'm confused about what
that is supposed to add to the discussion.</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Computer
programs can certainly be described using
intentional language. Does that mean that a
computer program can have intention? If so, that
seems to degrade the notion of intent. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">... and why tornados fail to have
it. A key feature appears to be that agents<br>
have a history that makes a difference, can exploit
information the way a<br>
thermostat can. Electrons or molecular motors, for
instance, don't pick up<br>
scratches or scars. Sean Carroll adds that agents
participate in the arrow<br>
of time.<br>
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Queued up to the relevant part of the discussion:<br>
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