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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=quotation>The fundamental challenge of being a liberal, in the classical sense, is that it obligates you to try to understand the desires and fears of those who disagree with you<span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Boy, Howdy. You got that one right!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nick <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Clark University<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Friam <friam-bounces@redfish.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric Charles<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 4, 2020 12:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] election eve<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>" they cannot under stand why I am scared by Trump, any more than I could understand why they were scared by Obama "<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I know it's a bit of a tangent... but is that actually true? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm not sure I've ever found it overly hard to understand why other people are afraid of things I'm not. Talk to people for a while, poke and prod at their ideas, observe their behavior, etc. It's not instantaneous, but I understand lots of things people were scared about under Obama (some of which happened, some of which would have happened if the Democrats had kept congress, and others of which were never going to happen in a million years). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The fundamental challenge of being a liberal, in the classical sense, is that it obligates you to try to understand the desires and fears of those who disagree with you. The fundamental benefit of being authoritarian is that it comes with no such obligation. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:05 PM <<a href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com">thompnickson2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Gary, <br><br>If you want to live in the bubble for a few more hours, try <br><br><a href="https://abc.com/watch-live/abc-news" target="_blank">https://abc.com/watch-live/abc-news</a><br><br>Marcus, The message I am getting from those folks is something like: "We tried rationality for 50 years and look where it got us; let's try crazy for 4 more years."<br><br>I know two trump supporters quite well. Mind you, we don't talk politics that much. Both are owners of small businesses who have led the highly regulated lives that folks must lead if they are going to make money in a politically diverse community. Both [thought they] saw gains from the Tax Cuts. I think both think the economic policies have been good for them and they find the crazy stuff kinda fun. Like a bit of a wild fling. They certainly don't take those things any more seriously than I took Clinton, with whatsername under the Resolute Desk, while he was negotiating with the Majority Leader. Tsk Tsk, I say and them move on. That's what they do, and they cannot under stand why I am scared by Trump, any more than I could understand why they were scared by Obama. I once called one of my relatives in Texas during the bush/Kerry election, because she had been born in Massachusetts and I thought she could help me understand. "I think that man is dangerous," she said. I agreed, thinking she was talking about Bush. "Yes," she went on. "No telling what he will do if he and the democrats get in." <br><br>Kerry, DANGEROUS? My god that man was scared of getting tomato sauce on his polo shirt. But she really was quaking with fear.. Just like I am now. <br><br>The one I really am scared of is McConnell. Hitler got in because the cartels that dominated German politics thought they could "use" him. Look how that turned out. <br><br>Nick <br><br>Nick<br><br>Nicholas Thompson<br>Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br>Clark University<br><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><br><a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/" target="_blank">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels<br>Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:24 AM<br>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve<br><br>Yeah, the main take home to me is the same as before: Almost half the country is batshit crazy.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>> On Behalf Of u?l? ???<br>Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank">friam@redfish.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve<br><br>Right. So both the guardian and nyt show called Biden: 227, Trump: 213 with PA(20), NC(15), and GA(16) toward Trump and MI(16), WI(10), NV(6), and AZ(11) toward Biden.<br><br>227+16+10+11+6 = 270<br>213+3+15+20+16 = 267<br><br>I don't think there's a reason to be optimistic ... cautiously or not. Regardless of which value the artificially binary outcome lands on, it's the closeness of it that causes the problems.<br><br>On 11/4/20 9:08 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>> Biden has got a 270 vs. 267 last time I checked, assuming he can’t take Pennsylvania.<br><br>--<br>↙↙↙ uǝlƃ<br><br>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a> un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC" target="_blank">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/<br>FRIAM-COMIC</a> <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a><br>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a> un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC" target="_blank">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/<br>FRIAM-COMIC</a> <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a> <br><br><br>- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. .<br>FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv<br>Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 <a href="http://bit.ly/virtualfriam" target="_blank">bit.ly/virtualfriam</a><br>un/subscribe <a href="http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com" target="_blank">http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com</a><br>archives: <a href="http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC" target="_blank">http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/<br>FRIAM-COMIC</a> <a href="http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/</a> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>