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<p>FWIW and then similarly someone came up with:</p>
<p> <i><b>It's those with insight who must make the concessions</b></i>.<br>
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<p>(which sucks).</p>
<p>On "half the country is batshit crazy" - to be generous a big
percentage of voters were struggling making a living or making
ends meet, raising kids, making payments, etc., before COVID-19.
With LOUD voices on both sides I see a messaging saturation effect
and voters making a relatively random choice, or voting R because
they always did, and this partly because they don't have the time
or luxury to figure out anything better. Why else would races be
so tight when a landslide should have happened? People continue to
not vote in their own interest.<br>
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<p>Robert C<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/4/20 11:26 AM,
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<p class="quotation">The fundamental challenge of being a
liberal, in the classical sense, is that it obligates you to
try to understand the desires and fears of those who disagree
with you<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">Boy, Howdy. You got that one right!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nick <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nicholas Thompson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Emeritus Professor of Ethology and
Psychology<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Clark University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Friam
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"><friam-bounces@redfish.com></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eric
Charles<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 4, 2020 12:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:friam@redfish.com"><friam@redfish.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [FRIAM] election eve<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">" they cannot under stand why I am scared
by Trump, any more than I could understand why they were
scared by Obama "<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know it's a bit of a tangent... but
is that actually true? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm not sure I've ever found it overly
hard to understand why other people are afraid of things
I'm not. Talk to people for a while, poke and prod at
their ideas, observe their behavior, etc. It's not
instantaneous, but I understand lots of things people were
scared about under Obama (some of which happened, some of
which would have happened if the Democrats had kept
congress, and others of which were never going to happen
in a million years). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The fundamental challenge of being a
liberal, in the classical sense, is that it obligates you
to try to understand the desires and fears of those who
disagree with you. The fundamental benefit of being
authoritarian is that it comes with no such obligation. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 1:05 PM <<a
href="mailto:thompnickson2@gmail.com"
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<p class="MsoNormal">Gary, <br>
<br>
If you want to live in the bubble for a few more hours,
try <br>
<br>
<a href="https://abc.com/watch-live/abc-news"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://abc.com/watch-live/abc-news</a><br>
<br>
Marcus, The message I am getting from those folks is
something like: "We tried rationality for 50 years and
look where it got us; let's try crazy for 4 more years."<br>
<br>
I know two trump supporters quite well. Mind you, we
don't talk politics that much. Both are owners of small
businesses who have led the highly regulated lives that
folks must lead if they are going to make money in a
politically diverse community. Both [thought they] saw
gains from the Tax Cuts. I think both think the economic
policies have been good for them and they find the crazy
stuff kinda fun. Like a bit of a wild fling. They
certainly don't take those things any more seriously than
I took Clinton, with whatsername under the Resolute Desk,
while he was negotiating with the Majority Leader. Tsk
Tsk, I say and them move on. That's what they do, and
they cannot under stand why I am scared by Trump, any more
than I could understand why they were scared by Obama. I
once called one of my relatives in Texas during the
bush/Kerry election, because she had been born in
Massachusetts and I thought she could help me understand.
"I think that man is dangerous," she said. I agreed,
thinking she was talking about Bush. "Yes," she went on.
"No telling what he will do if he and the democrats get
in." <br>
<br>
Kerry, DANGEROUS? My god that man was scared of getting
tomato sauce on his polo shirt. But she really was
quaking with fear.. Just like I am now. <br>
<br>
The one I really am scared of is McConnell. Hitler got in
because the cartels that dominated German politics thought
they could "use" him. Look how that turned out. <br>
<br>
Nick <br>
<br>
Nick<br>
<br>
Nicholas Thompson<br>
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology<br>
Clark University<br>
<a href="mailto:ThompNickSon2@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ThompNickSon2@gmail.com</a><br>
<a href="https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/</a><br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels<br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:24 AM<br>
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
<<a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve<br>
<br>
Yeah, the main take home to me is the same as before:
Almost half the country is batshit crazy.<br>
<br>
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From: Friam <<a href="mailto:friam-bounces@redfish.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">friam-bounces@redfish.com</a>>
On Behalf Of u?l? ???<br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:friam@redfish.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">friam@redfish.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] election eve<br>
<br>
Right. So both the guardian and nyt show called Biden:
227, Trump: 213 with PA(20), NC(15), and GA(16) toward
Trump and MI(16), WI(10), NV(6), and AZ(11) toward Biden.<br>
<br>
227+16+10+11+6 = 270<br>
213+3+15+20+16 = 267<br>
<br>
I don't think there's a reason to be optimistic ...
cautiously or not. Regardless of which value the
artificially binary outcome lands on, it's the closeness
of it that causes the problems.<br>
<br>
On 11/4/20 9:08 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:<br>
> Biden has got a 270 vs. 267 last time I checked,
assuming he can’t take Pennsylvania.<br>
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